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The discussion centers on the interpretation of Hobson's notation related to the Hubble parameter and its derivatives. Participants debate the correctness of the equation for dH/dt, with some asserting that the second term is incorrect while others defend its validity. It is noted that if the second derivative of a with respect to time is negative, then dH/dt is negative, but if positive, dH/dt can vary. The conversation also touches on the application of the chain rule and references a specific model from Hobson's book on general relativity. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of interpreting mathematical expressions in cosmology.
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With Hobson's notation:

H=(da/dt)/a

dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2

If ((d2a/dt2)/a) is negative, (dH/dt) is certainly negative.
But if ((d2a/dt2)/a) is positive, (dH/dt) can be positive or negative.

What is your interpretation?
 
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dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2

Above is incorrect. Should be:

dH/dt = (d2a/dt2)/a - (da/dt)/a2

Your second term is wrong.
 
No, it is correct.
I think you're forgetting the application of the chain rule.

I also think EhsanZ's interpretation is correct, although I do not know what "Hobson's notation" is.
I couldn't find it with google, except for in this thread. ;)
 
Actually I think the only thing wrong with second eq. is a lack of superscripting of the 2s:

dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2
 
EhsanZ said:
With Hobson's notation:

H=(da/dt)/a

dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2

If ((d2a/dt2)/a) is negative, (dH/dt) is certainly negative.
But if ((d2a/dt2)/a) is positive, (dH/dt) can be positive or negative.

What is your interpretation?

d^2 a/dt^2 > 0 and dH/dt < 0 means that the expansion of the universe is accelerating while the Hubble constant is decreasing. We think that this is happening today.
I like Serena said:
although I do not know what "Hobson's notation" is.
I couldn't find it with google, except for in this thread. ;)

This (I presume) refers to the notation used in the book General Relativity: An Introduction for Physicists by Hobson, Efstathiou, and Lasenby.

EhsanZ, play around with the spatially flat, matter-only Lemaitre model given on page 406 and in problem 15.23. This a good analytic approximation to our universe.
 
George is correct. If you look at the equations dispassionately, it is obvious the result can never be negative.
 
I like Serena said:
No, it is correct.
I think you're forgetting the application of the chain rule.

I also think EhsanZ's interpretation is correct, although I do not know what "Hobson's notation" is.
I couldn't find it with google, except for in this thread. ;)
You're right. My bad.
 
mathman said:
dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2

Above is incorrect. Should be:

dH/dt = (d2a/dt2)/a - (da/dt)/a2

Your second term is wrong.

No my friend! U made a mistake.
 
mathman said:
You're right. My bad.

Doesn't matter! Everybody makes mistakes.:smile:
 
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I like Serena said:
No, it is correct.
I think you're forgetting the application of the chain rule.

I also think EhsanZ's interpretation is correct, although I do not know what "Hobson's notation" is.
I couldn't find it with google, except for in this thread. ;)

I meant the notation that Hobson had used in his book named "General Relativity: An Introduction for Physicists ".
 
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BillSaltLake said:
Actually I think the only thing wrong with second eq. is a lack of superscripting of the 2s:

dH/dt = ((d2a/dt2)/a) - ((da/dt)/a)2

Yes, you're right my friend. I should've written it more carefully.
Thanks
 
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