Idea for a perpetual motion machine

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a probe in interstellar space that could potentially rotate indefinitely. While the idea raises legitimate questions about motion and energy, it is clarified that this scenario does not qualify as a perpetual motion machine, which typically involves extracting energy perpetually. Any attempt to harness energy from such a rotating system would ultimately lead to a loss of motion due to external forces like gravity and radiation. The conversation emphasizes that no system can be completely closed, and perpetual motion discussions are not permitted in the forum. Ultimately, the focus is on understanding the limitations of energy extraction in theoretical models.
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If someone were to send a probe out to interstellar space, bring it to a full stop and start rotating, would it continue rotating eternally? Or would drag from errant plasma slow it?
 
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This is a legitimate question. But you should be careful with your words. Perpetual machine questions are banned from these fora.
 
This would not be considered a "perpetual motion machine" in the sense that we mean in our rules, anyway, even if it did continue rotating eternally. A "perpetual motion machine" normally means a device that you can extract energy from, perpetually. There's no way to extract energy from this particular device without slowing it down.
 
What if you had the exterior rotating with a stationary generator in the core?
 
heterotictype1 said:
What if you had the exterior rotating with a stationary generator in the core?

The outside would slow down and the inside would begin to rotate until the two were rotating at the same speed and no more power would be generated.
 
jtbell said:
There's no way to extract energy from this particular device without slowing it down.
But it would be a way to store energy, though.

In reality I don't think there is any such thing as a 100% absolute closed system. In this example there would still be gravitational forces, radiation, and interaction with the interstellar medium, even if very small.
 
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