Ideal cells in parallel combination

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of ideal cells when connected in parallel, specifically addressing how to determine the net electromotive force (emf) in such a configuration. Participants explore the implications of internal resistance and the theoretical aspects of connecting ideal voltage and current sources.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about how to decide the net emf when two ideal cells with different voltages are connected in parallel.
  • There is a suggestion that internal resistances must be considered for the parallel combination of cells.
  • One participant expresses confidence in their understanding of the situation, indicating they believe they are correct about the implications of internal resistance.
  • Another participant argues that ideal voltage sources with different voltages cannot be connected in parallel without violating definitions, emphasizing the impracticality of calling them ideal in such cases.
  • It is noted that ideal current sources also cannot be connected in series, as this would similarly violate definitions unless they have identical values.
  • A participant states that ideal voltage sources can be connected in series, while ideal current sources can go in parallel, suggesting a distinction in their behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and theoretical implications of connecting ideal cells in parallel, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or understanding of the situation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of ideal components and the role of internal resistance are not fully explored, leading to potential gaps in understanding the implications of these idealizations.

saurabh tiwari
good evening to all
if two ideal cells with emf 6 volt and 3 volt are connected in parellel to supply current how the net emf can be decided
 
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saurabh tiwari said:
good evening to all
if two ideal cells with emf 6 volt and 3 volt are connected in parellel to supply current how the net emf can be decided
I think internal resistances must be given for parallel combination of cells..
 
Thanks to all... It is same as best of my knowledge now i know that i am right [emoji6][emoji6]
 
saurabh tiwari said:
Thanks to all... It is same as best of my knowledge now i know that i am right [emoji6][emoji6]
And what is the conclusion that you "know is right" ?
 
That it is impractical to say them ideal cell. Coz we ignore the internal resistance of a cell sometimes in comparison to external resistancesand call it ideal but when no external resistance is present you have to consider the internal resistance
 
saurabh tiwari said:
That it is impractical to say them ideal cell. Coz we ignore the internal resistance of a cell sometimes in comparison to external resistancesand call it ideal but when no external resistance is present you have to consider the internal resistance
Ah, yes. You are right, but ideal components are the staple of introductory electronics. and it is more correct to say that you simply cannot PUT ideal voltages sources with different voltages in parallel because you would thereby violate the definition of one or the other or both.
 
Just for completeness...

You can't connect two ideal current sources in series either.
 
What is the problem in series combination
 
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saurabh tiwari said:
What is the problem in series combination
cwaters said ideal CURRENT sources cannot be put in series. Again, it would violate the definition of one or the other or both (unless they had identical values, in which case it's just silly)
 
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Is there any problem in this solution
 
  • #12
No problem, since ideal voltage sources can go in series (and ideal current sources can go in parallel)
 
  • #13
Ok ok got it
 

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