Identifying Magnetic Rods: Brain-Teaser Challenge

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The discussion revolves around a brain-teaser challenge involving the identification of a magnetic rod among two identical iron rods, focusing on methods to distinguish the magnetic rod without using external tools like a compass or suspending the rods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests breaking both rods in half as a potential method to identify the magnetic one.
  • Another proposes that the extremity of one rod will attract the midpoint of the other if it is magnetized.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of breaking a solid iron rod by hand and seeks clarification on how to determine which rod attracts the other.
  • It is noted that magnets exhibit stronger attraction at their ends compared to the middle, which may help in identification.
  • One participant explains that if one extremity of a rod is brought near the middle of the other and attraction is felt, the first rod is magnetized.
  • A humorous alternative method is suggested involving waving the rods near one's head to induce a current, with the implication that the magnetized rod would have a different effect on the brain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and ideas for identifying the magnetic rod, but there is no consensus on a definitive approach. Some methods are debated, and the feasibility of certain suggestions is questioned.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the practicality of certain proposed methods, such as breaking the rods and the effects of waving them near the head. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of magnets and the physical capabilities of participants.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in magnetism, problem-solving strategies, or physics-related brain teasers.

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Sorry if this is a fundamental property or not, but I'm curious as hell. Today in class my proffesor had two identical iron rods. Same in weight and length. However, one is magnetic, and the other is not. He said, "You have the two rods and use of your brain. How do you find out which is the magnetic one?"
That means without suspending them to see which turns towards N/S. Or any other means, like a compass. etc.

Thanks in advance.
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Break (or cut) both in half, and what do you think should happen?
 
I think that the catch is to see if the extremity of one of the rods attires the midpoint of the other. If it does it is magnetized. If not, the other must attire the midpoint of the first.
 
How would you break a solid iron rod in half with your bare hands?

lpfr, think you can further explain? Sorry... =\

How would you be able to tell which attires which? They're completely identical in apperance.
 
Magnets sometimes feel weird as soon as you pick them up.
i.e. It's possible you can sense the pull of the Earth's magnetic field just holding one in your hand.

and what lpfr said, the ends suck more than the middle is probably the right answer.
 
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A magnetized rod attires iron stronger near its extremities and not at all near the middle. When you put near two extremities there will be one which will attire the other. But when you put a bit of iron near the middle of a magnet rod it will not be attired. Then, if there is any force between the extremity of a rod and the middle of the other, it is the extremity which is magnetized.
 
I completely understand what you're saying lpfr, but the thing is all i have is the magnet and the rod, but don't know which is the magnet and which is the rod. No iron fillings, nothing like that. Either way, thanks for your answers guys.
 
I do not think that you completely understood what I said.

Let's label a rod A and the other B. You put one extremity of rod A near the middle of rod B.
If you feel an attraction, this means that rod A is magnetized. That's all.
You can verify putting one extremity of rod B near the middle of rod A. If you feel an attraction, this means that rod B is magnetized.
 
Ah, thanks a lot lpfr.
 
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Alternatively:

A magnet moving at high speeds near a conductor will induce a current due to the changing magnetic flux. Wave both iron bars as fast as possible near your head (without hitting your head, this will negate the results of the experiment). The non-magnetized bar will induce no current within the presumably conductive neurons in the brain. However, the magnetized bar will induce current, resulting in anything from hallucination to memory loss to a mild headache (hence the warning against hitting yourself)
 

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