I'm having a lot of trouble with similar triangles

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of similar triangles and the application of trigonometric ratios, specifically cosine, in solving related problems. Participants explore the manipulation of equations derived from these triangles and the implications of variable placement in fractions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about applying the cosine function to similar triangles, particularly in setting up the equations correctly.
  • There is a discussion on how to manipulate the equation ##{?\over 50} = {32\over ?}##, with one participant suggesting multiplying both sides by 50 to eliminate the fractions.
  • Participants explore the implications of having variables in the denominator and whether taking reciprocals is a valid approach in their specific context.
  • One participant explains that multiplying both sides by (50x) eliminates the variable from the denominator and leads to a quadratic equation.
  • There is mention of cross-multiplying as a method to visualize the process of solving the equations, with some uncertainty about its equivalence to other methods discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to handle variables in the denominator, and there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the manipulation of equations involving similar triangles.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in understanding the transition from one form of the equation to another, indicating a need for clarity on the mathematical steps involved.

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Seriously, I understand it sometimes, but when it hits me with something like this, I'm just baffled...
 
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A matter of writing down ##\cos\theta## in two ways: for the left triangle it's ?/50 and for the right one it's 32/? So ##{?\over 50} = {32\over ?}##
 
BvU said:
A matter of writing down ##\cos\theta## in two ways: for the left triangle it's ?/50 and for the right one it's 32/? So ##{?\over 50} = {32\over ?}##
See, that's the part I get because of SOH CAH TOA. It's cosine, CAH, Adjacent over the Hypotenuse. The other one is completely the opposite. I set the problem up just like you did, but I really don't know where to go from there. ##{?\over 50} = {32\over ?}## That is what is baffling me.
 
Multiply left and right with 50 ?, to get ##?^2 = 50 \times 32##
 
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BvU said:
Multiply left and right with 50 ?, to get ##?^2 = 50 \times 32##
Perfect! Now I completely understand the logic behind it! On another note, ##{30\over ?} = {?\over 32}##, if it had been formatted like this, do I simply take the reciprocal like this: ##{?\over 30} = {32\over ?}##
Basically, I'm getting at the fact that the variable (which typically is x) isn't supposed to be on the bottom?
 
JR Sauerland said:
Perfect! Now I completely understand the logic behind it! On another note, ##{30\over ?} = {?\over 32}##, if it had been formatted like this, do I simply take the reciprocal like this: ##{?\over 30} = {32\over ?}##
Basically, I'm getting at the fact that the variable (which typically is x) isn't supposed to be on the bottom?

Do you understand how BvU went from

[tex]\frac{x}{50}=\frac{32}{x}[/tex]
to
[tex]x^2=50\times 32[/tex]
 
Mentallic said:
Do you understand how BvU went from

[tex]\frac{x}{50}=\frac{32}{x}[/tex]
to
[tex]x^2=50\times 32[/tex]
I think so. Didn't he multiply both sides by (50x)? It eliminated x in the denominator of the right side, and squared the x in the left side due to the fact that it was on top. I've heard you could cross multiple too though, although I don't know if it would be completely different or not...
 
JR Sauerland said:
I think so. Didn't he multiply both sides by (50x)? It eliminated x in the denominator of the right side, and squared the x in the left side due to the fact that it was on top. I've heard you could cross multiple too though, although I don't know if it would be completely different or not...

Right, so apply the same idea to your new problem. Taking the reciprocal of both sides is a valid operation, but it doesn't help you because you want to remove the variable from the denominator, which just so happens to give us a quadratic (squared value of x) in this sort of problem.

Also, cross multiplying is exactly multiplying both sides by 50x. It's just a means to help students visualize or to rote learn the process more easily.
 

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