I'm having trouble finding the Points of Inflection for this function

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The discussion revolves around finding Points of Inflection for a given function, specifically analyzing the second derivative provided: y'' = (2x^5 + 4x^3 - 6x) / (x^2-1)^4. Participants are exploring the implications of setting the second derivative equal to zero and identifying potential issues with vertical asymptotes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting the second derivative to zero and simplifying the resulting equation. There is confusion regarding the implications of certain factors, particularly x^2 = -3, and the identification of vertical asymptotes at x = ±1.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the simplification of the second derivative and noted the importance of proper notation. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the identified factors and their relevance to Points of Inflection.

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Participants are grappling with the concept that Points of Inflection cannot occur at vertical asymptotes, which influences their interpretation of the results from the second derivative analysis.

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Homework Statement


It asks for any Points of Inflection
The second derivative is given: y'' = (2x^5 + 4x^3 - 6x) / (x^2-1)^4

Homework Equations


The original function was x / (X^2 -1)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have set it equal to zero, and I get 2x^5 + 4x^3 - 6x = 0

I then simplified, taking out the 2, as well as factoring out an x

leaving me with

x(x^2 + 3)(x^2 -1)...

I get a weird answer though...x^2=-3 does not exist...and x = =+-1, are vertical asymptotes in the original function

help?

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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help...anyone ;_;
 
agv567 said:
help...anyone ;_;
Hi agv567. Welcome to PF.

Sometimes it takes a while for those of us who volunteer on the site to get around to answering questions. That's why there is a rule which forbids "bumping" your post until it has been here 24 hours.

I'll look at your question & get back to you soon.
 
agv567 said:

Homework Statement


It asks for any Points of Inflection
The second derivative is given: y'' = 2x^5 + 4x^2 - 6x / (x^2-1)^4
This can be simplified further. Also, are you sure the numerator isn't
2x5 + 4x3 - 6x?

agv567 said:
I then simplified, taking out the 2, as well as factoring out an x

leaving me with

x(x^2 + 3)(x^2 -1)...

I get a weird answer though...x^2=-3 does not exist...and x = =+-1, are vertical asymptotes in the original function
There's one more factor to check, the one in bold above.
 
EDIT: I'm an idiot

And POI can't occur at asymptotes, right? so -1 or 1 are not POI?

and x = 0...so the only POI occurs at (0,0), right? I checked with my calculator and it seems so.But what about the x^2 = -3 equation? Since it does not exist...I do nothing with it?
 
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agv567 said:

Homework Statement


It asks for any Points of Inflection
The second derivative is given: y'' = 2x^5 + 4x^2 - 6x / (x^2-1)^4

Homework Equations


The original function was x / (X^2 -1)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have set it equal to zero, and I get 2x^5 + 4x^2 - 6x = 0

I then simplified, taking out the 2, as well as factoring out an x

leaving me with

x(x^2 + 3)(x^2 -1)...

I get a weird answer though...x^2=-3 does not exist...and x = =+-1, are vertical asymptotes in the original function

help?

You have a typo in that second derivative. It's y'' = (2x5 + 4x3 - 6x) / (x^2-1)^4

That should fix-up your problem!

Also, please use proper parentheses. Otherwise what you would have is equivalent to: [itex]\displaystyle 2x^5 + 4x^3 -\frac{6x}{(x^2-1)^4}[/itex]
 
Thank you so much. I see my mistake now and how it confused everyone haha. I still don't understand what to do with the x^2 = -3, though.
 
x2=-3 doesn't have any real number solutions !
 

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