I'm over-complicating thermal equilibrium HELP PLEASE.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a 2kg block of ice at -20°C placed in contact with a large amount of water at 0°C, with the goal of determining the final equilibrium state, the heat absorbed by the ice, and the final mass of the ice. The context is thermal equilibrium and heat transfer between ice and water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the equilibrium temperature and the heat exchange involved in warming the ice and melting it. They express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the amount of ice that can melt.
  • Some participants question the source of heat for the ice and the implications of removing heat from the water, suggesting a need to consider the energy balance more carefully.
  • Others suggest calculating the energy required to raise the ice to 0°C and equating it to the energy lost by the water to explore the relationship between the masses of ice and water.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the heat transfer process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculations and assumptions, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcomes or methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using the correct value for the heat of fusion for ice, indicating a potential source of confusion in the calculations. There is also an acknowledgment that the problem involves assumptions about the amount of water and ice remaining at equilibrium.

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Homework Statement


A 2kg block of ice initially at T = −20 ◦C is put in contact with a very large amount of liquid water at T = 0 ◦C (by “very large amount” we imply that by the time ice and water reach thermal equilibrium, there will still be some liquid water left). Ice and water can exchange heat just with each other but not with the environment. The specific heat of water is 4186 J and of ice is 2050J.
1)final equilibrium
2)amount of heat absorbed by the ice in the process
3)final mass of the ice at equilibrium

Homework Equations


deltaEbond + deltaEthermal = Q + W
deltaEthermal = m•Csp•deltaT
deltaEbond=|deltamass•deltaH|
deltaH(meltin, ice)=6.01kJ/mol

The Attempt at a Solution


My first guess is that the equilibrium temperature is 0ºC, because we're to assume that water is still present.

assuming that's correct could I then use deltaEthermal = m•Csp•deltaT = 2kg • 2050J/kg•K • (0ºC-(-20ºC)) = 82kJ
and then, assuming that all the ice melts, calculate deltaEbond = |(mf - mi)•deltaH(melting, ice)| = |(0kg - 2kg)•6.01| = 12.02kJ

then, since Q=deltaEthermal + delta Ebond, Q = 82kJ + 12.02kJ = 96.02kJ

But I had to assume there was enough E to melt all the ice to calculate this... and one of the questions asks to calculate the amount of ice left!

I feel fairly stupid for not being able to do this, I think I'm waaaaaaaay over-complicating it. Thanks internet!
 
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It is enough water, so there will be some liquid water at the end of the process -at 0°C! From where does the ice get heat to warm up to 0°C? What happens to 0°C water if you take away some heat of it? Can the ice melt? So what happens to the water?

Take care on the data: deltaH(melting, ice)=334 kJ/kg.

ehild
 
Sorry, I had deltaH in moles.

So I see what you're saying; all the heat that goes to warming the ice to 0ºC comes from the water, which in turn freezes portions of it. So step one, calculate the energy it takes to raise 2kg of ice to 0ºC, then negate that answer and set it equal to the bond energy of freezing a certain amount of water and solve for the difference. This is how much ice is added to the 2Kg block of ice.

deltaE(thermal,ice) = (2kg)•(2050J/kg•K • (0ºC-(-20ºC)) = 82kJ
deltaE(bond, water) = -82kJ = (mi - mf)•334kg => -.245kg = mf - mi
m(ice, final) = 2kg + .245kg = 2.245kg of ice at equilibrium

I hope that's right.
 
Correct!

ehild
 

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