Image formation in terms of electromagnetic waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the formation of images in the context of electromagnetic wave theory, particularly how light rays converge to create images and the underlying mechanisms of information propagation and contrast in images. Participants explore both geometrical optics and wave optics perspectives, including the implications of coherence and diffraction.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the reasons images are formed where light rays converge, specifically in terms of wave theory.
  • One participant describes how light rays are related to wavefronts and how they converge to form images, emphasizing the principle of superposition in electromagnetic fields.
  • Another participant raises the concern of potential destructive interference when light rays converge at an image point.
  • It is noted that incoherent light does not lead to significant interference effects, while coherent light can produce constructive and destructive interference, which may affect perceived image quality.
  • Participants discuss the phase relationship of light from a single point source and its implications for image formation, including the concept of optical path length.
  • One participant introduces the idea of diffraction and its relevance when considering the limitations of geometrical optics in practical scenarios.
  • A later reply provides a basic explanation of how converging electromagnetic waves can create intensity variations across a detector, contributing to image formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of coherence and diffraction in image formation, with some emphasizing the importance of diffraction effects while others focus on the applicability of geometrical optics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which diffraction must be considered in various imaging contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves assumptions about the coherence of light and the conditions under which geometrical optics is applicable. The effects of diffraction are noted as potentially significant in certain scenarios, particularly with point sources and high-quality lenses.

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In texts on geometrical optics I have read that an image is formed where light rays converge -- without an explanation of why.

Thus I ask, why are images formed where light rays converge? In particular, what is the answer to this question in terms of the wave theory of light (Electrodynamics)?

How are information propagated from an object and depicted on a screen through an electromagnetic wave? What is responsible for the contrasts in the image?
 
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Light rays are perpendicular to wavefronts. A bunch of light rays leaving an object point, being refracted/reflected, and converging onto an image point, is equivalent to a series of circular wavefronts expanding from an object point, being refracted/reflected, and forming a new set of (semi)circular wavefronts which "shrink" onto an image point.

Electromagnetic fields obey the principle of superposition, so the waves from different object points propagate to different image points without affecting each other's propagation.
 
Thanks! Would you happen to have a reference that explain this in some detail?
 
jtbell said:
Light rays are perpendicular to wavefronts. A bunch of light rays leaving an object point, being refracted/reflected, and converging onto an image point, is equivalent to a series of circular wavefronts expanding from an object point, being refracted/reflected, and forming a new set of (semi)circular wavefronts which "shrink" onto an image point.

But if they converge to an image point, is there not a chance that they will interfere destructively?
 
In normal lighting the light is incoherent. With coherent light, like a laser, you can get constructive and destructive interference. I think that this is what gives rise to the perceived "shimmer" of laser light.
 
center o bass said:
But if they converge to an image point, is there not a chance that they will interfere destructively?

The light from a single point source is always in phase with itself when it arrives at the image point. All parts of a single circular wavefront (or "ripple" if you use the analogy of waves on a water surface) leave the source point simultaneously, and arrive at the image point simultaneously.

In the light-ray picture, this corresponds to all the rays from the source point to the image point having the same optical path length.
 
jtbell said:
In the light-ray picture, this corresponds to all the rays from the source point to the image point having the same optical path length.
I.e. both rays take a path of least time?
 
Right. Or rather, all the valid rays that one can draw from the object point to the image point take the same (least) time. There are infinitely many of them.
 
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jtbell said:
The light from a single point source is always in phase with itself when it arrives at the image point. All parts of a single circular wavefront (or "ripple" if you use the analogy of waves on a water surface) leave the source point simultaneously, and arrive at the image point simultaneously.

In the light-ray picture, this corresponds to all the rays from the source point to the image point having the same optical path length.

I was under the impression that light from a single point is not completely in phase with itself when arriving at the focal point, hence the reason that the light forms a circular diffraction pattern, with the maximum intensity at the center of the pattern and falling off from there. Have I misunderstood something?
 
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Sure, at some level you have to start taking diffraction into account. I was assuming we were dealing with situations in which geometrical (ray) optics is "good enough" that we can use it more or less interchangeably with wave optics. You have to have pretty good lenses and be dealing with very pointlike objects (e.g. in astrophotography) before diffraction effects become noticeable, and even then diffraction patterns are pretty small.
 
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Awesome. Thanks, JT.

center o bass said:
Thus I ask, why are images formed where light rays converge? In particular, what is the answer to this question in terms of the wave theory of light (Electrodynamics)?

How are information propagated from an object and depicted on a screen through an electromagnetic wave? What is responsible for the contrasts in the image?

Forgive me if this is too basic of an answer:

Well, if you want to deal with waves, imagine that you have a plane wave striking a detector at a normal angle. The energy from the wave is deposited equally across the detector and you have no intensity variation between pixels. If we instead cause that EM wave to converge on the detector, the energy of the wave will be deposited into a small portion of the detector. The pixels that the wave converges on will read a high intensity, while the pixels the wave doesn't converge on will read a low intensity. This variation in pixel value forms an image.
 

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