Impact Force of a Horizontal Moving Projectile

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The discussion revolves around calculating the impact force of a horizontally moving 2"x4" projectile striking a solid cross beam. Participants explore various methods and considerations for determining the impact force, including the effects of beam deflection and material properties. The conversation includes theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the impact force without knowing the stopping distance after impact, suggesting the use of kinetic energy and deflection calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the cross beam's deflection and suggests that the effective mass of the beam should be considered.
  • Several participants discuss calculating a spring constant based on the deflection of the beam and the force applied, with varying results and assumptions about material properties.
  • One participant presents a calculation for kinetic energy and proposes a method to find the deflection and force exerted on the beam, expressing uncertainty about the high force value obtained.
  • Another participant recalls different values for kinetic energy and suggests a method to calculate deflection and force, indicating that their results may not be realistic.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the calculated forces on the structural integrity of the cross beam, with concerns about significant bending and stress levels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating the impact force, and multiple competing views and calculations are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the stopping distance and its impact on calculations. There are varying assumptions about material properties and the elastic range of the materials involved, which affect the results.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in impact physics, structural engineering, and material science, particularly those exploring the dynamics of projectiles and their effects on structures.

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What is the correct way to calculate the impact force of a 2"x4" flying through the air and hitting a solid cross beam? The knowns are:

Velocity: 50 ft/sec

Distance To cross beam: 12 ft

2" x 4" Weight: 9 lbs

I don't know much the cross beam will deflect on impact, so the stopping distance is relatively unknown. I was planing on using F = KE/D = .5 * m * v2 / D, but without knowing the stopping distance after impact, I can't use it. Does anyone know how I should proceed?
 
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Hello J, :welcome:

Funny you mention the 12 ft (irrelevant) but say nothing about the cross beam.
Nor about how the 2x4 is oriented wrt the beam. No drawing ?

But you have the right plan: find out how much that cross beam deflects. Load of course depends on acceleration, so you have to iterate a bit.
 
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In most cases effective mass of the beam has to be taken into account as well .

There are analytical and numerical methods for dealing with this type of problem .
 
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BvU said:
Hello J, :welcome:

Funny you mention the 12 ft (irrelevant) but say nothing about the cross beam.
Nor about how the 2x4 is oriented wrt the beam. No drawing ?

But you have the right plan: find out how much that cross beam deflects. Load of course depends on acceleration, so you have to iterate a bit.

I did a beam bending calculation on the cross beam, but I am unsure of what size force to apply. Is there a range you'd suggest? I started with a load of 214 lbf (950 N), and found that the beam will deflect .0235" (.5981mm). The impact location is also the direct center of the cross beam (974mm/2).

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Is this homework ? If not,
I'm playing dumb and calculate a spring coefficient from that : ##k = F/dx = 950 / 5.8\times 10^{-4} = 1.6 \times 10^{6} ## N/m

If the kinetic energy of the 2x4 is converted to compression of a spring with such a spring constant you've found the deflection and thereby the force exerted on the beam -- if that's still in the elastic range of the brass. If not, it gets bent or dented...

I find yield strength 200+ MPa.
 
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BvU said:
Is this homework ? If not,
I'm playing dumb and calculate a spring coefficient from that : ##k = F/dx = 950 / 5.8\times 10^{-4} = 1.6 \times 10^{6} ## N/m

If the kinetic energy of the 2x4 is converted to compression of a spring with such a spring constant you've found the deflection and thereby the force exerted on the beam -- if that's still in the elastic range of the brass. If not, it gets bent or dented...

I find yield strength 200+ MPa.

This is not homework. I did try the spring method you suggested and got the following:
##KE = PE, (.5(4.082kg)(15.24m/s)^{2})/x = .5(1.588 \times 10^{6} N/m)(x^{2}), x=.084 m##

Then I applied that distance to the spring constant and found my force to be ~133422N. This seems quite high for this. Am I doing something wrong?

That yield strength is from the verified material properties from the vendor.
 
I seem to remember other values: ##E_{\rm kin} ={1\over 2} 4.08 *15.2^2 = 474## J, so ##k ={ 2 E_{\rm kin} \over x^2 } \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ x = \sqrt {2 E_{\rm kin} \over k} = 24 ## mm.
So at the end the force would be 40 kN for the elastic spring scenario. Not all that realistic, but a ball-park figure
 
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I seem to remember other values: ##E_{\rm kin} ={1\over 2} 4.08 *15.2^2 = 474## J, so ##k ={ 2 E_{\rm kin} \over x^2 } \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ x = \sqrt {2 E_{\rm kin} \over k} = 24 ## mm.

Ah yes, I forgot to get rid of the stopping distance in my original formula. So my force would be ~38120.71N, correct?
 
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Ah yes, I forgot to get rid of the stopping distance in my original formula. So my force would be ~38120.71N, correct?
When I apply that force, I get 24mm of deflection, a Max Stress of 2791 MPa, which would mean my F.S. is .06. So the cross beam will be bent significantly?
 
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I suppose that's what you get for stopping a 2x4 that moves at 50 km/h within 2.4 cm :redface:
 

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