Impedance matching derivation (next best after complex conjugate method)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of impedance matching in electrical circuits, specifically exploring the next best method after the complex conjugate method. Participants examine the implications of using a purely resistive load versus a complex load and the conditions under which these methods apply.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the notes suggest Z_L should equal the magnitude of Z_s for the next best impedance match, implying a purely resistive load.
  • Others question the assumption that Z_L cannot have a reactance, seeking clarification on why this is considered the second-best method.
  • One participant suggests that if a complex load is not allowed, the highest power transfer occurs when Z_L equals the magnitude of Z_s.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the criteria for defining "second-best" matching impedance, indicating that no specific criteria were provided.
  • A later reply mentions that the professor indicated the method may relate to minimizing the reflection coefficient, but this is contested by another participant who argues that a zero reflection coefficient would require Z_L to match Z_s, including any complex components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on the reasoning behind the second-best method and the restrictions on load reactance. Multiple competing views remain regarding the criteria for impedance matching and the implications of using purely resistive versus complex loads.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and criteria related to impedance matching, particularly regarding the assumptions made about load reactance and the conditions under which the second-best method is applicable.

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(This is not a question I was given to solve, it is a question about the course notes.)

Homework Statement


In impedance matching, what is the next best method after the complex conjugate method?
If the source has V_s and Z_s, what should Z_L be?
V_s, Z_s, and Z_L are in series.

Homework Equations


The best impedance match is when Z_s = (Z_L)*
And this was derived from maximum power transfer, or
P = (I_rms)^2 * R_L = 1/2 * (|V_s|/( |Z_s + Z_L| )) = ...

The Attempt at a Solution


The notes say
Z_L = R = |Z_s|

This says the next best choice is having Z_L be a resistance equal to the magnitude of Z_s.

However, from the math I did, this assumes that there cannot be a reactance for Z_L.
Why this assumption?

Edit: Why is this the "second-best method"? Why is there the assumption that there is no load reactance?
(I do not have any criteria either. It is from a handout. I will ask the professor after the 1st day of class, I guess.)
 
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Tetraoxygen;4051178[h2 said:
The Attempt at a Solution[/h2]
The notes say
Z_L = R = |Z_s|

This says the next best choice is having Z_L be a resistance equal to the magnitude of Z_s.

However, from the math I did, this assumes that there cannot be a reactance for Z_L.
Why this assumption?

By definition, |Z_s| is a real quantity, i.e. a resistance, not a complex impedance.

As to what constitutes "second-best" matching impedance I have no idea. No criterion(a) was/were offered.
 
rude man said:
By definition, |Z_s| is a real quantity, i.e. a resistance, not a complex impedance.

As to what constitutes "second-best" matching impedance I have no idea. No criterion(a) was/were offered.
I am aware that this method yields a real number.

My question is, why is this the second best matching impedance.

No criteria were offered to me either...

Anyone with real-world experience?
 
OK I think I know.

What is meant is: if a complex load is not permitted, i.e. if it has to be resistive, then the highest power transfer is when Z_L = R = |Z_s|. And that is correct.

(Has to be that: otherwise you could just say, OK, let Z_L = R_s - jX_s + ε where Z_s = R_s + jX_s and ε is an arbitrarily small resistance!)

So: can you proceed with that info? Hint: what is |i|, the current? Then what is power P_L, then how do you determine optimum R_L for max P_L?
 
rude man said:
OK I think I know.

What is meant is: if a complex load is not permitted, i.e. if it has to be resistive, then the highest power transfer is when Z_L = R = |Z_s|. And that is correct.

(Has to be that: otherwise you could just say, OK, let Z_L = R_s - jX_s + ε where Z_s = R_s + jX_s and ε is an arbitrarily small resistance!)

So: can you proceed with that info? Hint: what is |i|, the current? Then what is power P_L, then how do you determine optimum R_L for max P_L?
I'm sorry, but that is not what I meant.

I want to know Why is a complex load not permitted in the second best method? Why is this the second best method?

I've already done the math showing that this R_L corresponds to maximizing P_L when Z_L is only a resistance, not a reactance.
 
Tetraoxygen said:
I'm sorry, but that is not what I meant.

I want to know Why is a complex load not permitted in the second best method? Why is this the second best method?

I've already done the math showing that this R_L corresponds to maximizing P_L when Z_L is only a resistance, not a reactance.

There used to be a commercial on TV about a hair dye product that went: "Only your hairdresser knows for sure".

Only your instructor knows for sure.
 
So the bad news: The professor does not remember any more why this is so. :( He said it was just best practices.

And the better news: He says it may have something to to do with minimizing the reflection coefficient.

Thoughts?
 
Tetraoxygen said:
So the bad news: .

And the better news: He says it may have something to to do with minimizing the reflection coefficient.

Thoughts?

Can't be that either. You'd get zero reflection coefficient if Z_L = Z_s. So if Z_s is complex, so is Z_L.
 

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