Implications of gravitational waves from the Big Bang?

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The discussion centers on the implications of gravitational waves (GWs) from the Big Bang, particularly in relation to inflationary models of cosmology. Participants explore the potential detection of primordial gravitational waves, their connection to B-mode polarization in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), and the consequences for various cosmological theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether GWs have been detected from the inflationary epoch of the Big Bang or only from mergers of massive objects.
  • There is a suggestion that primordial gravitational waves are uniquely predicted by inflationary theory, with detection of B-mode polarization potentially ruling out many non-inflationary models.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of different values for the tensor-to-scalar ratio (r) on the validity of inflationary models.
  • Some participants propose that inflationary models may not necessarily be eternal or infinite, suggesting the possibility of a one-time event.
  • Others mention non-inflationary causes of primordial gravitational waves, referencing specific academic papers to support their claims.
  • There is discussion about the relationship between cosmic strings and B-mode polarization, with questions about the validity of this connection in standard cosmology.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether certain spectral results would justify falsifying inflationary models, noting that traditional models could be challenged by a blue spectrum.
  • The impact of the tensor-to-scalar ratio on the support for inflation is debated, with some suggesting that any nonzero value would bolster inflationary theory.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the implications of previous findings from BICEP2 and their subsequent retraction due to data corruption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the implications of gravitational waves for inflationary versus non-inflationary models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific consequences of detected B-mode polarization and the validity of various cosmological theories.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the mathematical and probabilistic arguments presented in referenced papers, indicating a reliance on external sources for complex concepts. There is also mention of unresolved issues regarding the stability of certain inflationary models.

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My understanding is that gravitational waves have not been detected from the proposed inflationary epoch of the big bang, only from the merger of two super massive objects. Is that correct?

Are GWs predicted from the big bang in models where there is no inflationary epoch?

If GWs are detected from the early universe, what would be the implications for the proposed cosmological models? In other words, would this rule out a lot of contenders?
 
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Chronos said:
While you can never say never in science, unequivocal detection of B-mode polarization would leave few hiding places for any models aside from inflation
Thanks. So if the B-mode polarization is found in the CMB, what would the implications for the models be if the tensor-to-scalar ratio r was say, 0.01 versus 0.20 like BICEP2 had originally posited?
 
Is it a necessary consequence of inflationary models of cosmology that they have to be eternal and/or infinite? I have heard Guth talk this way. Could not a big bang with inflation be a one-time event as opposed to something that is one of a larger set of infinite bubbles/inflations/universes?
 
There are non-inflationary causes of primordial gravitational waves. See https://arxiv.org/abs/1106.5059. Sorry for the shameless self-promotion but it’s the only reference I have readily at hand.
 
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bapowell said:
There are non-inflationary causes of primordial gravitational waves. See https://arxiv.org/abs/1106.5059. Sorry for the shameless self-promotion but it’s the only reference I have readily at hand.
Thanks Brian. The material in your paper is definitely above my knowledge level to evaluate the math and probability arguments, but I see your arguments for B-mode polarization of the CMB coming from sources other than inflation. I'll try to read through it more slowly tomorrow.
 
bapowell said:
This paper might be more useful: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.3581.pdf. It’s what motivated me to write mine.
pg. 9, "Once again, cosmic strings formed in a phase transition during the early Standard Cosmology phase of the evolution of the universe will generate primordial polarization which is statistically equally distributed between E-mode and B-mode [47]."

Several times in the paper the author uses this connection of cosmic strings with standard cosmology. Is that correct?

pg. 9 "More strikingly, if B-mode polarization is found and is shown to be due to gravitational waves, then if the spectrum is slightly blue one would have falsified the inflationary paradigm."

Is there consensus that this slightly blue spectrum result would be a justified reason for falsifying inflation?
 
Even if the B-mode polarization is found in the CMB, are there any values for the tensor-to-scalar ratio r which would falsify inflation, or would it simply mean that inflation had a shorter or longer duration?
 
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laymanB said:
pg. 9, "Once again, cosmic strings formed in a phase transition during the early Standard Cosmology phase of the evolution of the universe will generate primordial polarization which is statistically equally distributed between E-mode and B-mode [47]."

Several times in the paper the author uses this connection of cosmic strings with standard cosmology. Is that correct?
Cosmic strings might have been produced as a result of phase transitions in the early universe (if the particle physics model has the right properties). Brandenberger is just saying that these strings would generate B-mode polarization in the CMB.

Is there consensus that this slightly blue spectrum result would be a justified reason for falsifying inflation?
It would falsify traditional models of inflation, i.e. those for which sensible energy constraints are obeyed (that the energy density drops over the course of inflation.) There are models of so-called "super"-inflation during which the energy density increases, allowing for a blue spectrum, but AFAIK these are not well-motivated physically and suffer from a variety of stability issues.
 
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laymanB said:
Even if the B-mode polarization is found in the CMB, are there any values for the tensor-to-scalar ratio r which would falsify inflation, or would it simply mean that inflation had a shorter or longer duration?
Observing a nonzero ts ratio would offer strong support for inflation, whatever the value. Large r simply means that the variation of the inflaton field during inflation was large in Planck units (this tends to cause problems for models of inflation arising from string theory, but that's a potential issue for string theory, not inflation as a cosmological paradigm).
 
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bapowell said:
(this tends to cause problems for models of inflation arising from string theory, but that's a potential issue for string theory, not inflation as a cosmological paradigm).
I can imagine that string theorists must have had a roller coaster of emotions as BICEP2 reported the ts ratio at 0.2, and then later discarded the results due to corruption of the data.
 
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laymanB said:
I can imagine that string theorists must have had a roller coaster of emotions as BICEP2 reported the ts ratio at 0.2, and then later discarded the results due to corruption of the data.
Yes! Incidentally, there are models of inflation in string theory (monodromy models) that can support large-ish r. I don't know the current state of these models, however.
 
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