Implict differentiation and price

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation in the context of a demand curve related to pricing. Participants are exploring the correct application of differentiation with respect to time and the implications of using appropriate units in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of implicit differentiation and the need to differentiate the demand curve with respect to time. There are questions about the correct interpretation of variables and units, particularly regarding price and demand. Some participants reflect on their initial substitutions and calculations, noting potential errors.

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Some participants have identified mistakes in their initial approaches and are reconsidering their substitutions and the differentiation process. There is an acknowledgment of the need for commensurate units and a clearer understanding of the demand variable. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and productive guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process.

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Participants are working under constraints related to homework rules, including the necessity of using correct units and understanding the relationship between price and demand. There is mention of specific values that have been substituted into the equations, which may affect the outcomes discussed.

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When the price of a 400g bag of almonds is p dollars per bag, customers demand x hundred bags of almonds where x^2+4px+p^3=81. At what rate is the demand x changing with respect to time when the price is $4 per bag and decreasing at a rate of 20 cents per month?
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x^2+4px+p^3=81
For this one I did implicit differentiation. Where I then obtained y'=(-2x-4p)/(4x+3p2).

Once I had this I plugged in my values where p is $4 per bag and x is 20 cents.

I plugged in my values y'= (-2(20)-4(4))/(4(20)+3(4)2) =-7/16.

However when I checked this answer it was incorrect and I am unsure of where I am going wrong.

I also tried to do it with -20 substituted since it is decreasing and y'= (-2(-20)-4(4))/(4(-20)+3(4)2) = -0.75, however this was incorrect as well.

I am unsure of where to go from here. Thank you.
 
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Using implicit differentiation is the right idea, but you have some problems in the implementation. First of all, since you are looking for a rate of change with time, you need to differentiate the demand curve with respect to time ##t##. You will get terms with ##x##, ##p##, ##\dot x##, and ##\dot p## in them in various combinations. There shouldn't be a ##y## in any of the terms.

Second, you need to use commensurate units. The price ##p## is given in $, and the time rate of change of price is given in cents/month. If the answer is to make any sense, you need to convert the $ to cents for the price, or the cents/month to $/month for the price rate of change. You will also need to figure out what units to state the answer in.

Third, you have incorrectly used 20 cents for the initial demand. Demand is not a price, it is the number of bags of almonds that can be sold at a given price, so it should be in units of bags of almonds, not cents. You can calculate the demand ##x## by substituting the initial value of ##p## into the demand curve equation and solving for ##x##.
 
tnich said:
Using implicit differentiation is the right idea, but you have some problems in the implementation. First of all, since you are looking for a rate of change with time, you need to differentiate the demand curve with respect to time ##t##. You will get terms with ##x##, ##p##, ##\dot x##, and ##\dot p## in them in various combinations. There shouldn't be a ##y## in any of the terms.

Second, you need to use commensurate units. The price ##p## is given in $, and the time rate of change of price is given in cents/month. If the answer is to make any sense, you need to convert the $ to cents for the price, or the cents/month to $/month for the price rate of change. You will also need to figure out what units to state the answer in.

Third, you have incorrectly used 20 cents for the initial demand. Demand is not a price, it is the number of bags of almonds that can be sold at a given price, so it should be in units of bags of almonds, not cents. You can calculate the demand ##x## by substituting the initial value of ##p## into the demand curve equation and solving for ##x##.
So I realized all of the mistakes I made. Instead of substituting -20, I must do -0.20 I think. I differentiated with respect to t. I solved for x to obtain x=1 and x=-17. I substituted my values into the equation this included dp/dt=-0.2, p=4, x=1 since -17 cannot be used. I got the answer 26/45 or 0.58 rounded to two decimals.
 
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ver_mathstats said:
So I realized all of the mistakes I made. Instead of substituting -20, I must do -0.20 I think. I differentiated with respect to t. I solved for x to obtain x=1 and x=-17. I substituted my values into the equation this included dp/dt=-0.2, p=4, x=1 since -17 cannot be used. I got the answer 26/45 or 0.58 rounded to two decimals.
That's what I got, too.
 

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