Important reason for squashing software bugs accuracy of scientific discoveries

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the importance of addressing software bugs in the context of scientific discoveries, particularly focusing on CERN's efforts to improve the accuracy of data analysis related to the Higgs boson. It touches on the implications of software reliability for experimental results and the verification processes involved in scientific research.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights CERN's identification and resolution of 40,000 bugs in the ROOT framework, suggesting that these bugs may have affected the accuracy of results from the Large Hadron Collider.
  • Another participant questions whether the bug resolution was the major announcement from CERN, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the significance of the software verification process.
  • Further commentary suggests that the Coverity Toolset, used by CERN, is also utilized by other organizations, implying a broader relevance of software verification in critical applications.
  • There is speculation about the timing of announcements from CERN, with one participant noting the expected delay in news coverage following the conference, reflecting on the dynamics of information dissemination.
  • One participant emphasizes the necessity of multiple methods for data analysis to mitigate the risk of erroneous results, pointing to the complexity of ensuring accuracy in scientific research.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the software bug resolution and its relation to CERN's announcements. There is no consensus on whether the bug fixes were the primary focus of the conference or if they hold broader implications for scientific accuracy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the reliability of software tools and their impact on scientific findings, but these assumptions remain unverified within the conversation.

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CERN's[/PLAIN] boson hunters tackle big data bug infestation
It's the software or the science that's been wrong

CERN says it has squashed 40,000 bugs living in ROOT, the C++ framework it is relied upon to store, crunch and help analyse petabytes of data from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). The massive collider generates 15PB of data each year from 600 million proton collisions per second.

ROOT contains 3.5 million lines of code while CERN's army of 10,000 physicists have surrounded that core with a further 50 million lines of software they have built to try and sift out Higgs boson from the petabytes. Higgs boson is the particle that theoretically gives mass to all other particles, but it has to date proved elusive.

The bugs have lived in ROOT since the data-munching framework came online in 1995, and were only finally winkled out using the application of commercially available static-code analysis tools from development testing specialist Coverity.

CERN reckons the bugs had helped muddy results from the LHC, throwing them off the Higgs-boson scent. Further, there were programs built by those 10,000 scientists that could never be properly tested prior to Coverity.
One's analysis when processing experimental data must account for possible errors in the tools used to identify and detect expected behavior, not an easy task, which is why multiple, usually three or more methods are deemed necessary to rule out the possibility for false or erroneous results, before staking one's reputation and credibility on the accuracy of them.

Rhody...
 
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That wasn't their big announcement, was it??
 


jhae2.718 said:
That wasn't their big announcement, was it??
No, I was just providing insight into how they verified the software for the data analysis tools that CERN uses. From the wiki link, apparently the Coverity Toolset is used by US Homeland Security as well.

I find it odd that it is now 10:30 am EST in the US and about 3:30 PM in Geneva, and their isn't any internet stories breaking yet, previous experience with this sort of thing usually means about an hour to two hour delay before it hits the "Net", so to speak. If the conference is at 2 pm their time, I would expect to see news breaking in the next hour or so, so stay tuned.

Rhody...
 


FYI, According to this story... the CERN conference will begin at:
3.40pm: Press conference begins. If you have questions, you can tweet them to the Cern press office with the hashtag #higgsupdate
If this time is correct, I anticipate the announcement at or before 12:40 EST in the US from internet sources, not mainstream media, TV, radio which will be ahead of the curve, so to speak.

edit:

This story does include details of the conference, but they are only quotes out of context so I would wait for the official News feed from CERN for the whole story.

Rhody...
 
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