Impulse of electromagnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the impulse of the electromagnetic field and its relationship to the law of action and reaction in electrodynamics. Participants explore the conditions under which the integral of the electromagnetic field's impulse is necessary and sufficient for conservation laws, particularly in the context of mechanical impulse and forces acting on objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical formulation relating force, mechanical impulse, and the integral of the electromagnetic field's impulse.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the conditions under which the integral of the electromagnetic field's impulse is necessary and sufficient for the law of action and reaction.
  • A later reply challenges the assumption that the relationship is obvious, indicating a disagreement on the interpretation of the conditions presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the sufficiency of the condition for the law of action and reaction, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the conditions under which the integral of the electromagnetic field's impulse applies, as well as the definitions and assumptions related to mechanical impulse and forces.

Petar Mali
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We have

[tex]\vec{F}=\int_V\vec{f}dV=-\frac{d}{dt}\int_V(\vec{D}\times \vec{B})dV[/tex]

[tex]\vec{g}=\vec{D}\times \vec{B}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{F}=-\frac{d}{dt}\int_V\vec{g}dV[/tex]

[tex]\vec{F}=\frac{d\vec{p}_{mech}}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{p}_{mech}+\int_V\vec{g}dV)=0[/tex]

[tex]\vec{p}_{mech}+\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex]

In total field law of conservation of impulse

[tex]\vec{p}_{mech}[/tex] - mechanical impulse of particles in field

In one book I found that [tex]\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex] is necessary but not always sufficient condition for law of action and reaction in electrodynamics.

My question is when is [tex]\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex] necessary and sufficient condition for this law? Thanks for your answer!
 
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Petar Mali said:
[tex]\vec{p}_{mech}+\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex]

In total field law of conservation of impulse

[tex]\vec{p}_{mech}[/tex] - mechanical impulse of particles in field

In one book I found that [tex]\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex] is necessary but not always sufficient condition for law of action and reaction in electrodynamics.

My question is when is [tex]\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex] necessary and sufficient condition for this law? Thanks for your answer!

If you believe
[tex]\vec{p}_{mech}+\int_V\vec{g}dV=\vec{const}[/tex],
then isn't the answer obviously, yes?
I assume you mean NIII for the forces on objects.
 
NIII?

No! It's not obviously, I think. What is your idea?
 

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