In how many ways can three aces be drawn?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of ways to draw three aces from a standard deck of cards. One participant initially used the formula P = n!/(n-r)!, leading to an incorrect result of 132600. Another participant clarified that there are actually 24 different sequences for drawing three aces when considering order, but emphasized that in card-drawing problems, order is typically not important. Therefore, the correct interpretation should focus on combinations rather than permutations. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding whether order matters in probability problems.
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probability help pleasezz

1. In how many ways can three aces be drawn?



2. I used this formula - P= n!/(n-r)!
n r


3. Here is my attempt- 52!/(52-3)!=52!/49!= 132600, but that is off to me.

I googled this problem and the person got "There are 4*3*2 = 24 sequences in which 3 aces can be drawn from a deck containing 4 aces." However I do not know how they reached their conclusion :(
 
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well i think i got it, however i would like to know if it is correct
n!/(n-r)!=4!/(4-3)!=4!/1=24/1=24 possible ways to draw three aces
 


YODA0311 said:
well i think i got it, however i would like to know if it is correct
n!/(n-r)!=4!/(4-3)!=4!/1=24/1=24 possible ways to draw three aces

That's right if you are considering order, i.e. you consider clubs-diamonds-spades to be different from clubs-spades-diamonds.
 


However, I will add that in card-drawing problems, one typically does not consider the order to be important. I.e., clubs-diamonds-spades and clubs-spades-diamonds are considered to be the same.

While there is a formula that gives the right answer, the answer to this one can easily be found (or checked) using common sense.

Moderator's note: thread moved from Intro Physics to Precalc Math.
 
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