A Inconsistency between definitions of power and work in continuum mechanics?

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The discussion centers on the definitions of power and work in continuum mechanics, represented by equations involving the Cauchy stress tensor and body forces. The user attempts to show that power is the time derivative of work but encounters difficulties in their derivation, particularly in reconciling equations (1) and (5). They express confusion over the application of the product rule and the assumption that stress and body forces remain constant during the process. Additionally, there is a mention of the complexity introduced by varying volume and area integrals over time. The conversation highlights the need for clarity on the conditions under which these definitions apply in continuum mechanics.
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The definitions of power and work in continuum mechanics are:

$$ W = \int T \cdot u dA + \int b \cdot u dV (1) $$


$$ P = \int T \cdot v dA + \int b \cdot v dV (2) $$

##u## is the displacement vector, ##v## is the velocity, ##T## is the cauchy stress tensor, ##b## is the body force ##A## is area and ##V##, volume. ##W## is work and ##P## is power

I tried to show that ## P = \frac{dW}{dt} ##, but failed

At first i thought integrating Eq (1) but i was intimidated by the amount of algebra necessary to put the derivative inside the integral, then i tried integrating Eq (2)

$$ \int Pdt = \int \int T \cdot v dAdt + \int \int b \cdot v dV dt(3) $$

Commuting the Space and time integrals and applying the definition of velocity

$$ \int Pdt = \int \int T \cdot \frac{du}{dt} dtdA + \int \int b \cdot \frac{du}{dt} dtdV (4) $$

$$ \int Pdt = \int \int T \cdot dudA + \int \int b \cdot dudV (5) $$

And here is where i'm stuck. Equation (5) doesn't seem to match with equation (1) and i don't know if there is any mistake in the derivation. Instead of ##du## it should have been ##u## in Eq (5), but a priori i don't know how to make it appear. Any clues? Thanks
 
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v=\frac{du}{dt}
Replacing u in W to v, we get P.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
v=\frac{du}{dt}
Replacing u in W to v, we get P.
How? ## v = \frac{du}{dt} ## but

$$ u = \int v dt $$

Then

$$ W = \int T \cdot \left( \int v dt\right) dA + \int b \cdot \left( \int v dt\right) dV $$


$$ \frac{dW}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt} \int T \cdot \left( \int v dt\right) dA + \frac{d}{dt} \int b \cdot \left( \int v dt\right) dV $$

Now what? I don't think i can simply "cancel" the outer time derivative with the inner time integral, can i?
 
Use the law of differential of product
(ab)'=a'b+ab'
and, if I understand the settings correctly,
\frac{dT}{dt}=\frac{db}{dt}=0
 
anuttarasammyak said:
Use the law of differential of product
(ab)'=a'b+ab'
and, if I understand the settings correctly,
\frac{dT}{dt}=\frac{db}{dt}=0
##\frac{dT}{dt}## and ##\frac{db}{dt}## are generally not zero. For example, imagine ##T## is a pressure, pressure is not necessarily constant on a general process.

Also, the product rule isn't straightforward for volume and area integrals, because generally they also vary with time (which is what ends up in the reynolds transport theorem)
 
Does your textbook, which describes the definition of W and P, postulate stationary T and b ?
 
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It does not, they just define it that way.
 

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The latter refers the three statical equations so it seems not a general relation.
 
I just couldn't find an explicit mention of work in the textbook (its always power), but its still the same definition found in other places, such as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtu..._of_virtual_work_and_the_equilibrium_equation

We start by looking at the total work done by surface traction on the body going through the specified deformation:

{\displaystyle \int _{S}\mathbf {u} \cdot \mathbf {T} dS=\int _{S}\mathbf {u} \cdot {\boldsymbol {\sigma }}\cdot \mathbf {n} dS}
i know the text talks about virtual work, but this excerpt specifically deals with regular work.
 
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Klaus3 said:
The definitions of power and work in continuum mechanics are:
Who said these definitions in what conditions ? You may be haunted by a wrong idea.
 

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