Indefinite integral using trig substitutions

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The discussion revolves around finding the indefinite integral $\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{2+3y^2}}dy$ using trigonometric substitutions and exploring alternative approaches, including hyperbolic substitutions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to integration techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the substitution $u=\sqrt{3/2}\tan(\theta)$ to simplify the integral.
  • Another participant proposes rewriting the integrand as $\sqrt{2 + 3y^2} = \sqrt{3}\sqrt{\frac{2}{3} + y^2}$ and suggests a different substitution $y = \sqrt{2/3}\tan \theta$.
  • A participant points out the need to use the identity $1+\tan^2(\theta) = \sec^2(\theta)$ to simplify the expression and asks for the differential $dy$ in terms of $d\theta$.
  • There is a correction regarding the expression for $dy$, with one participant stating it should be $dy = \frac{\sqrt{6}}{3}\sec^2(\theta)\, d\theta$.
  • Another participant introduces a hyperbolic substitution, $y = \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}\sinh(t)$, claiming it might be easier than the trigonometric substitution.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the integral even with the trigonometric substitution, suggesting that it may still be quite difficult.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between $dy$ and $dx$, indicating a misunderstanding in the substitution process.
  • Another participant provides a detailed step-by-step transformation of the integral using the trigonometric substitution, ultimately expressing the result in terms of $y$.
  • Finally, a participant confirms the correctness of the result derived from the hyperbolic substitution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the best substitution method for solving the integral, with no consensus on which approach is superior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal technique.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' suggestions depend on familiarity with hyperbolic functions, which may not be universally known among all participants. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the transformations presented.

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$\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{2+3y^2}}dy$
$u=\sqrt{3/2}\tan\left({\theta}\right)$

I continued but it went south..
 
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Hi karush,

First write $\sqrt{2 + 3y^2}$ as $\sqrt{3}\sqrt{\frac{2}{3} + y^2}$ in the integrand, and let $y = \sqrt{2/3}\tan \theta$. See what you get from this substitution.
 
$\sqrt{3}\sqrt{2/3+2/3 \tan^2\left({\theta}\right)}$
 
Re: int using trig subs

Now use the identity $1+tan^2(\theta) = \sec^2(\theta)$ to simplify. What is $dy$ in terms of $d\theta$?
 
$du=\frac{\sqrt{6}}{2}\sec^2\left({\theta}\right)d\theta$
 
Re: int using trig subs

You're close but it's $dy = \frac{\sqrt{6}}{3}\sec^2(\theta)\, d\theta$. Now express your integral in terms of the $\theta$ variable.
 
Even though the trig sub will work, the integral will still be quite difficult. $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}\sinh{(t)} \end{align*}$ is a much easier sub...
 
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Even though the trig sub will work, the integral will still be quite difficult. $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}\sinh{(t)} \end{align*}$ is a much easier sub...

Perhaps, but I guess it depends on whether karush knows hyperbolic functions yet. I suspect that at this stage, he already knows $\int \sec x \, dx = \ln|\sec x + \tan x| + C$, so he doesn't have to work through any difficult steps.
 
My confusion seems to be getting $dy=dx$
Initially I factored out 2 to get $(1+\frac{3}{2}y^2)$
 
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Wait, you're going backwards. Let's continue. We have $y = \sqrt{2/3}\tan(\theta)$, so $\sqrt{2+3y^2} = \sqrt{2}\sec(\theta)$ and $dy = \sqrt{2/3}\sec^2(\theta) \, d\theta$. Thus

$$\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{2+3y^2}}\, dy = \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}\sec(\theta)}\, (\sqrt{2/3} \sec^2(\theta)\, d\theta) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \int \sec(\theta)\, d\theta = \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} \ln|\sec(\theta) + \tan(\theta)| + C.$$

Now revert back to the $y$-variable.
 
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$\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left({\sqrt{2+3y^2}+\sqrt{3}y}\right)+C$
 
  • #12
karush said:
$\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{2+3y^2}}dy$
$u=\sqrt{3/2}\tan\left({\theta}\right)$

I continued but it went south..

Using the substitution I suggested:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 + 3y^2}}\,\mathrm{d}y} &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\int{ \frac{1}{\sqrt{ \frac{2}{3} + y^2}}\,\mathrm{d}y} \end{align*}$

Now substitute $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3} } \sinh{(t)} \implies \mathrm{d}y = \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}} \cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$ and the integral becomes

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\int{ \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{2}{3} + y^2}}\,\mathrm{d}y} &= \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\int{ \frac{1}{\sqrt{\frac{2}{3} + \left[ \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}\sinh{(t)} \right] ^2}} \, \sqrt{\frac{2}{3}}\cosh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} \int{ \frac{\cosh{(t)}}{\sqrt{ \frac{2}{3} \left[ 1 + \sinh^2{(t)} \right] }} \,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{2}}{3} \int{ \frac{\sqrt{3}\cosh{(t)}}{\sqrt{2} \cosh{(t)} } \,\mathrm{d}t} \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{3}}{3} \int{ 1\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{3}}{3} t + C \end{align*}$

Now remembering that $\displaystyle \begin{align*} y = \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3} }\sinh{(t)} \end{align*}$ that means

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} y &= \frac{\sqrt{2}\sinh{(t)}}{\sqrt{3}} \\ \sqrt{3}\,y &= \sqrt{2}\sinh{(t)} \\ \frac{\sqrt{3}\,y}{\sqrt{2}} &= \sinh{(t)} \\ \frac{\sqrt{6}\,y}{2} &= \sinh{(t)} \\ t &= \textrm{arsinh}\,\left( \frac{\sqrt{6}\,y}{2} \right) \end{align*}$

and thus the answer is $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\sqrt{3}}{3} \,\textrm{arsinh}\,\left( \frac{\sqrt{6}\,y}{2} \right) + C \end{align*}$.
 
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karush said:
$\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\ln\left({\sqrt{2+3y^2}+\sqrt{3}y}\right)+C$

Good work, karush! That's completely correct.
 

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