Cthugha said:
Wait, now I am sure you misunderstand something. Let's see whether we can find out where we talk past each other.
The latter is of course correct, but he did not claim that both are negligible. In fact, he did not claim that ANY of these to is negligible for the phonon. He just correctly claimed that photon momentum is negligible and (incorrectly) assumed that a band minimum/maximum implies zero momentum (instead of zero group velocity) and therefore no phonons should be needed. This was the misconception at hand.
Why do you come up with phonons? In the sentence you quote, I am talking about photons, not phonons. Photons never carry significant momentum in the regimes important in semiconductors. The difference between acoustic and optical (and possibly even transversal and longitudinal) phonons is perfectly clear.
Yes, this is trivial. How does that go against what I said? I said in indirect optical transitions most of the energy comes from the photon, most of the momentum comes from the phonon.
I don't think that I said that. Maybe I was unclear. Let me try again.
The photon has a small, nonzero momentum. By small, I mean that the photon momentum relative to the center of the band is small compared to the band edge momentum.
When the photon is absorbed, some of its momentum goes into the conduction-band electron, some into the valence-band hole, and some into the phonon. If the photon energy is just slightly above the band gap energy, most of the momentum has to go to the phonon.
At this point, I haven't specified whether the phonon is an acoustical or optical phonon.
Cthugha said:
This makes photon momentum negligible. This is what hokhani said and you objected to.
I didn't say that the photon momentum was negligible. Hokani said that the photon momentum was negligible. That is why I asked him how he knew that the photon momentum was negligible.
Maybe it is a difference in what we mean by negligible. If you mean that the momentum is so small that it can't be conserved, then I have to disagree. If you mean that the phonon momentum is only a small fraction of the momentum of any excitation at the band edge, then we are in agreement.
The lines in the energy level diagram are vertical because the change in momentum is small compared to the maximum cut-off momentum that borders on the edge of the Brillouin zone. No matter how small a momentum is, it still has to be conserved.
Why should you want to have a phonon with momentum matching that of the incident photon in indirect band gap transitions? You want a phonon matching the momentum gap between valence band maximum and conduction band minimum.[/QUOTE]
Here is the problem.
There is no "momentum gap" between a valence band maximum and a conduction band minimum. The pseudo-momentum of a free-carrier at either extremum is zero. In a semiconductor, there is an "energy gap" between the valence band maximum and the conduction band minimum.
I am thinking of the case where the light wave is precisely resonant with the energy gap. If a light wave is precisely resonant with the band edge, the energy of the photon equals the difference in energy between the conduction band minimum and the valence band maximum. If an electron-hole pair is formed, then the conservation of energy is satisfied. However, the momentum of the electron and the momentum of the hole is zero. The energy of the photon is positive, not zero. If the only excitations that formed were the electron and the hole, then conservation of momentum is not satisfied.
In the case of precise resonance with the energy gap, one way to conserve momentum would be by the simultaneous absorption of a phonon with a momentum that is precisely the negative of the photon momentum. There are other combinations with phonons that could work. However, both the energy and the momentum have to be conserved.
I am not sure what posters hear mean about "group velocity." I conjecture that they are trying to explain a process where the photon energy is slightly above band gap.
The free-carriers don't have much kinetic energy even if the photon energy is slightly above band gap. Kinetic energy in a carrier is proportional to the square of the momentum. Thus, the carriers can't account for much momentum. The phonon has to account for most of the momentum from the initial photon.
The group velocity is proportional to the partial derivative of energy with momentum. I don't want to get into the pre-factor, which you can easily calculate. However, the slope of the energy versus momentum curve is the group velocity. So the energy of a free-carrier band at the extrema is at either a maximum or minimum. If the excess energy goes into the kinetic energy of the free carrier, then very little momentum is going into the free carrier.
The rule of thumb in a direct gap semiconductor is this. The excess energy of the photon goes into the kinetic energy of the free carriers. "Excess energy" meaning energy above band gap. The momentum of the photon goes into a phonon.
I am not sure what posters are saying by "crystal momentum." I suspect that they are talking about the momentum of acoustical phonons. I also suspect that when the OP said phonons, he was thinking specifically about optical phonons.
Look at the dispersion curve of phonons. Where on the dispersion curve is there a low momentum cut off? I see a high momentum cut off. However, plug in some numbers. The high momentum cut off is very high.
A phonon at the Brillouin zone edge has about the same wavelength as the length of a primitive cell. That means that a phonon on the band edge has about the same momentum as an xray photon. So in terms of UV/visible/IR radiation, there is no upper limit to the momentum of a phonon. A phonon can have a momentum up to that that of an xray photon. There can always be a phonon with an momentum that matches that of the original photon.
A phonon at the Brillouin zone has about the same frequency as an far-IR photon. That means that the phonon can not absorb much of the energy from a visible or UV photon. Hence, the phonon can not account for much of the energy of the initial photon. Therefore, there is seldom a phonon with an energy equal to that of the original photon.
A phonon can always account for most of the momentum coming from visible or UV photons. However, a phonon does not always account for most of the energy coming from visible or UV photons.
I feel a ding from the moderators coming on. Honestly, fellows. I know solid state physics! Please don't ban me without a reason. If you think I am wrong, then tell me why.