Induced Emf due to changing magnetic flux

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of induced electromotive force (emf) in a conducting loop due to a changing magnetic flux, particularly when a magnet is pushed through the loop. Participants explore the implications of Lenz's law, the behavior of induced current, and the interpretation of magnetic flux.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that pushing a magnet into a conducting loop induces an emf and current, which flows in a direction that opposes the change in magnetic flux, suggesting an anticlockwise direction initially.
  • Another participant agrees that as the magnet is pushed through, the magnetic flux increases until a point where it begins to decrease, leading to a potential change in the direction of the induced current.
  • A later reply confirms that the induced current will switch directions once the magnetic field flux transitions from increasing to decreasing.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about a ground loop issue caused by changing magnetic fields, illustrating the practical implications of induced emf.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the emf is directly related to the change in magnetic flux, noting that as the magnet is pulled out, the flux decreases, which would also change the sign of the induced emf.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between changing magnetic flux and induced emf, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of the current direction as the magnet is fully pushed through the loop. Multiple viewpoints on the interpretation of these changes exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding about magnetic flux and its implications for induced current, suggesting that some assumptions about the behavior of the system may not be fully articulated or agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electromagnetism, particularly those exploring the principles of induced emf and magnetic flux in practical applications or theoretical contexts.

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If we have a conducting loop, and a magnet (say North pole first) is pushed into it; that induces and emf and hence a current in the coil due to the changing magnetic flux, right? According to Lenz' law, the direction of the current is such that it opposes the change. So from the side the magnet was pushed in, it would be anticlockwise?

My question is, if we push the magnet completely through, after a point, won't the increasing flux actually start to decrease? And if that's right, then does the current change direction? I'm referring to a case where the pushinin of the magnet is done in a single motion/step. This feels intuitevely wrong to me, and all the resources I found only talk until the first bit i mentioned.

I'm thinking that my understanding of the concept of magnetic flux is wrong. It can be iterpreted as the number of field lines passing through an area, right?

Thanks for your time!
 
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Cookiey said:
My question is, if we push the magnet completely through, after a point, won't the increasing flux actually start to decrease?
Yes. I have a hairy anecdote to illustrate. A long time ago, some colleagues of mine were engaged to connect some medical instrumentation to a data center (at the same floor, but about 30m along a corridor). What happened was that they got intermittent high frequency high amplitude ground current (which interfered with the data transfer). After several days of head scratching, they noted:
  • Between the instrumentation and the data center, there was a door to the stairwell.
  • The stairwell contained a lift (elevator)
  • The mains in the two rooms were separately connected to a mains distributor in the basement
  • The protective ground were also connected in the basement
So - when the data cable set up a connection between the protective ground in both rooms, you had a ground loop - and a lift (with a current-carrying cable) going up and down through the loop, inducing all kinds of EMF in the ground loop!
 
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Yes, you are right. As you push the magnet, the magnetic field flux is increasing, causing a current through the wire loop. As the magnet gets pushed all the way through, and thus the magnetic field flux goes from increasing to decreasing, you will reach a point where the induced current switches directions in the loop.
 
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Remember, the EMF is the from the change in magnetic flux.

Pushed part way in the flux increases, and the EMF is positive in a particular direction. Then pulled out the flux decrease, so the EMF must change sign.

This last bit is the same as pulling it out the other side.
 

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