Inductance of a straight vs toroidal solenoid

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of inductance in different types of solenoids. It is mentioned that the inductance of a long straight solenoid remains the same when bent into a toroidal solenoid, despite the difference in magnetic path length. This is because the strength of the magnetic field is what matters, not the path length. The long solenoid approximation is used to simplify calculations, while in the case of a toroid, the field outside is actually zero. This difference between the two is considered trivial. There is also a brief mention of Gauss' law and the flux going through a long solenoid.
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According to widely known formulas, the inductance of a long straight solenoid will remain practically the same if we bend it into a toroidal solenoid. It seems to be a contradiction, because the magnetic path length of a straight solenoid is more than two times greater.
 
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The path length isn't actually important. What matters is the strength of the magnetic field.

The long solenoid approximation is used because it allows a simplifying assumption that you can ignore any field outside the solenoid as trivially small when you calculate the field inside. (using Stokes theorem and curl B = mu0 J)

In the case of a toroid, the field actually IS zero outside so the assumption becomes a fact.
The difference between the two is trivial.
 
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I find it strange (in the light of the Gauss' law) that the flux going through the inside of a long solenoid just comes back on the outside no matter how long the solenoid is.

In the case of a toroid, I don't think the field on the outside is zero - it is not confined to such a small volume, so its intensity is much smaller.
 

1. What is the difference between a straight and toroidal solenoid?

A straight solenoid is a coil of wire wound in a straight line, while a toroidal solenoid is a coil of wire wound in a doughnut or torus shape.

2. How does the inductance of a straight solenoid compare to that of a toroidal solenoid?

The inductance of a straight solenoid is typically lower than that of a toroidal solenoid due to the difference in their shapes. A toroidal solenoid has a larger surface area and more closely packed coils, resulting in a higher inductance.

3. Can a straight solenoid be converted into a toroidal solenoid?

Yes, a straight solenoid can be bent into a toroidal shape, but it may affect the inductance and other properties of the solenoid. It is typically more efficient to design a toroidal solenoid from the beginning.

4. How does the magnetic field differ between a straight and toroidal solenoid?

In a straight solenoid, the magnetic field is concentrated inside the coil, while in a toroidal solenoid, the magnetic field is confined within the toroidal shape. This results in a stronger and more uniform magnetic field in a toroidal solenoid.

5. What are some practical applications of straight and toroidal solenoids?

Straight solenoids are commonly used in electromagnets, relays, and solenoid valves. Toroidal solenoids are often used in transformers, inductors, and particle accelerators due to their higher inductance and more uniform magnetic field.

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