Inductance -- why does current lag voltage?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of current lagging voltage in inductive circuits, exploring intuitive explanations, underlying mechanisms, and comparisons with capacitors. Participants delve into both conceptual and technical aspects of inductance, including the implications of electromagnetic effects and energy storage in inductors.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek an intuitive explanation for why current lags voltage in inductors, expressing a desire for molecular-level insights.
  • One participant argues that electromagnetic effects are not molecular phenomena, suggesting that the induced emf in an inductor is proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic field.
  • Another participant compares inductors to capacitors, noting that in capacitors, voltage lags current due to the time it takes for charge to build up.
  • A participant explains that the inertia of electrons contributes to the lag, as the electric field exerts a force that accelerates electrons, causing a delay in current formation.
  • Contrarily, another participant challenges the simplification of using Newtonian mechanics to explain the behavior of inductors, advocating for a macroscopic approach instead.
  • One participant elaborates on the relationship between applied voltage and induced emf in an inductor, emphasizing the conditions under which current changes in response to voltage.
  • Another participant discusses the energy storage in capacitors and inductors, highlighting that the time it takes to move energy is a factor in the observed lag.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of Lenz's Law, explaining that the induced voltage opposes the change in current, further contributing to the lag.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of viewpoints on the mechanisms behind current lagging voltage, with no consensus reached. Some propose intuitive analogies and explanations, while others challenge the adequacy of these explanations, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with discussions touching on various models and assumptions related to electromagnetic theory and circuit behavior. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of inductive behavior and the role of energy transfer in circuits.

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Could someone give me an intuitive explanation as to why the current lags the voltage in an inductive circuit. I can understand it through the equation E=ldi/dt. But how exactly does the current lag, on a molecular level?
 
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EM effects are not "molecular" phenomena so I don't think there exists an answer on those terms. But you could perhaps think of how the emf that is induced across an inductor will be proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic field i.e the current flowing. If the current is sinusoidal then the voltage will have the biggest value when the current waveform passes through zero.
The Mathematical description takes a lot of beating - horses for courses. . . .
 
Perhaps start by understanding why voltage lags current in a capacitor. When you turn on the current, charge flows into the capacitor and the voltage builds up much like water filling a bucket. You don't expect a bucket to fill up the instant you start pouring in water.

Inductors are essentially the compliment of a capacitor.
 
What a perfectly splendid Capacitor you have there. :D
It complements the colours on your resistor stripes well.
 
In a typical conductor, electrons carry the current. Current is just the flow of electrons. A voltage is an electric potential, which is generated by an imbalance of charge. The electric field is just the spatial derivative of the potential, ##E = -\nabla \phi##.

You can break it down into simple Newtonian mechanics. The electric field exerts a force on electrons, which accelerates them. Therefore, the electric field causes a current to form, and the current lags behind the electric field (and voltage) due to the inertia of the electrons.
 
It isn't simple Newtonian mechanics; that's far too simplistic to be of use in understanding what is happening in an inductor. The electrons have such little mass and the KE involved is so low that it plays no significant part in the way circuits work. The macroscopic approach is more than enough to account for what is measured.
 
sophiecentaur said:
What a perfectly splendid Capacitor you have there. :D
It complements the colours on your resistor stripes well.

My spelling is even better than my dress sense ;-(
 
It did make me smile. Only a temporary lapse on your part, I'm sure. :)
 
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derek181 said:
Could someone give me an intuitive explanation as to why the current lags the voltage in an inductive circuit. I can understand it through the equation E=ldi/dt. But how exactly does the current lag, on a molecular level?
I cannot explain in molecular level, but I hope a physical explanation should suffice.
Lets say, you apply a voltage = E, across an inductor (which is actually just a coil of wires). Now, since an inductor is actually just wires wound into coil, current will tend to flow. But, the current cannot suddenly rise, because, the change in current would create a changing magnetic field (remember it is a coil), and that changing magnetic field would produce/induce an Emf in the coil, that opposes the applied emf. If the current tends to change too fast, the internal emf will tend to exceed the applied emf, and hence the current will have to reduce. If the current doesn't change fast enough, the applied emf will increase the current and make it change quick. So, only allowed case is if the current change just in the right way. For an inductor with zero resistance, the E_applied = E_internal must be instantaneously be true, otherwise the difference would create infinite current. If you assume the initial condition to be I=0 and E_internal = 0 and apply the E_applied, then I will increase instantly (and would tend to be infinite), but to do that it will need to change, and the change will make E_internal = dI/dt. So, it can neither change faster than dI/dt = E_applied nor can it change slower than that. So, for +ve E_applied current will increase and for -ve E_applied current will decrease, which makes the current tend to follow E.
Having written all that, I think, it doesn't do better than just saying "its because the inductor follows that equation, and the solution of that equation implies that current lags behind voltage", and which doesn't really answer your question. But anyway, I tried.
 
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The energy stored in a capacitor is proportional to the charge in the capacitor and hence the voltage.
The energy stored in an inductor is proportional to the magnetic field and hence the current.

It takes time to move energy from one place to another so it takes time to move energy into or out of a capacitor or inductor.

So..
In a capacitor it takes time for the voltage to build up following a step change in the current.
In an inductor it takes time to for the current to build up following a step change in the voltage.

In both cases it's the fact that it takes time to move energy is the cause of the lag.
 
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Or how about this?
An inductor is just a short circuit to a non changing current. There will be no Volts across it when DC passes. When you change the current, the magnetic field will change and induce a Voltage in the wire (by Lenz's Law, it will be in opposition to its cause), The faster the current changes, the greater the voltage so the peak of the voltage when an Alternating Current happens to be sinusoidal, will be as the current waveform changes at its fastest rate i.e. at the zero crossing.
Note that when the current waveform is not a sinusoid, the Voltage waveform will be a distorted version of the waveform because each frequency component is shifted by 900, which will not produce the same shaped resultant waveform. So you will not just get a time shifted version.
 

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