Can induction be extended to the rationals?

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In summary, there is a variant form of induction that can be used to prove something about the rationals, starting with the open interval (0, 1) and then extending to all positive rationals. It involves showing that for an arbitrary integer m, m < n, P(\frac{m}{n}) \Rightarrow P(\frac{m+1}{n}), for all natural numbers n. This allows for the use of induction on any countable set, although its practical applicability may be limited.
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Is there a variant form of induction to prove something about the rationals as opposed to just the natural numbers?

You could start by proving it for the open interval (0, 1) by showing that for an arbitrary integer m, m < n, [tex]P(\frac{m}{n}) \Rightarrow P(\frac{m}{n+1})[/tex], for all natural numbers n, and then extend the domain to all positive rationals.

Is this even plausible?
 
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You could start by proving it for the open interval (0, 1) by showing that for an arbitrary integer m, m < n, [tex]P(\frac{m}{n}) \Rightarrow P(\frac{m}{n+1})[/tex], for all natural numbers n, and then extend the domain to all positive rationals.

Certainly, try the dictionary or spiral ordering of rationals. For that matter, induction is applicable to any countable set.The practical appicability is limited, though.
 
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epkid08 said:
Is there a variant form of induction to prove something about the rationals as opposed to just the natural numbers?

You could start by proving it for the open interval (0, 1) by showing that for an arbitrary integer m, m < n, [tex]P(\frac{m}{n}) \Rightarrow P(\frac{m}{n+1})[/tex], for all natural numbers n, and then extend the domain to all positive rationals .

Is this even plausible?
I would try proving it for the open interval (0, 1) by showing that for an arbitrary integer m, m < n, [tex]P(\frac{m}{n}) \Rightarrow P(\frac{m+1}{n})[/tex], for all natural numbers n, and then extend the starter domain to all positive rationals m/n, m<n. Where n = 1 you have the standard induction process.
 
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1. What is "Induction over the rationals"?

"Induction over the rationals" is a method of mathematical proof that is used to show that a statement is true for all rational numbers. It is similar to mathematical induction, but instead of proving a statement for all natural numbers, it is used to prove a statement for all rational numbers.

2. How does "Induction over the rationals" work?

The process of induction over the rationals involves three steps: the base case, the induction hypothesis, and the induction step. The base case is when the statement is shown to be true for the first rational number. The induction hypothesis is assuming that the statement is true for a particular rational number. And the induction step is using the hypothesis to prove that the statement is true for the next rational number. This process is repeated until the statement is proven for all rational numbers.

3. What is the difference between "Induction over the rationals" and "Mathematical induction"?

The main difference between "Induction over the rationals" and "Mathematical induction" is the set of numbers that they are used to prove statements for. Mathematical induction is used for natural numbers, while "Induction over the rationals" is used for rational numbers. They both follow a similar process, but the base case and induction step are modified to fit the specific set of numbers.

4. Why is "Induction over the rationals" important in mathematics?

"Induction over the rationals" is important in mathematics because it allows us to prove statements for all rational numbers without having to individually test each one. This saves time and effort, and it also provides a more systematic and organized approach to proof. Additionally, many important theorems and proofs in mathematics rely on induction over the rationals.

5. Are there any limitations to "Induction over the rationals"?

Yes, there are limitations to "Induction over the rationals". This method can only be used to prove statements for rational numbers, and it cannot be used for irrational numbers or other types of numbers. Additionally, it assumes that the set of rational numbers is well-ordered, which may not hold in all cases. Therefore, it is important to carefully consider the conditions and assumptions before using induction over the rationals.

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