Inelastic collision of plane onto a barge? (challenging)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 1000 kg plane landing on a 2000 kg barge at rest, with the goal of determining the minimum length of the barge for the plane to stop safely. The key point of confusion is the initial velocity of the plane, which is 50 m/s relative to the water, and whether it should also be considered 50 m/s relative to the barge. Participants clarify that Newton's laws can only be applied in an inertial frame, such as that of the water, due to the acceleration of both the barge and the plane. The importance of using the correct reference frame is emphasized to solve the problem accurately. Understanding these principles is crucial for applying the equations of motion correctly in this scenario.
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Homework Statement


A 1000 kg plane is trying to land on the deck of a 2000 kg barge at rest on the surface of the sea. The only frictional force to consider is between the plane’s wheels and the deck, and this braking force is constant and equal to one-quarter of the plane’s weight. What must the minimum length of the barge be, in order that the plane can stop safely on deck, if the plane touches down just at the rear end of the deck with a velocity of 50 m/s towards the front of the barge?

Note: I don't understand why the initial velocity of the plane relative to the barge cannot be 50 m/s forward, since this value is the initial velocity of the plane relative to the water, and the initial velocity of the barge relative to the water is 0. Shouldn't it make sense that the initial velocity of the plane relative to the barge be 50 m/s? If so, why do the standard equations of motion not yield the correct answer.

P.S. I know you can also solve this question using W=Fd and solve for d, but I want to know how to do it with the relative motion specifically.

Homework Equations


Conservation of linear momentum, F=ma, E=1/2mv^2, W=E2-E1=Fd

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Newton's laws apply in an inertial reference frame: the frame of the water, for example.

Since the barge and plane both accelerate, you cannot apply Newton's laws in the frame of the barge.
 
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Dr. Courtney said:
Newton's laws apply in an inertial reference frame: the frame of the water, for example.

Since the barge and plane both accelerate, you cannot apply Newton's laws in the frame of the barge.
Thank you so much. I was blind but now I see.
 
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