Infinite limit as X tends to infinity

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The discussion focuses on proving the limit of a function as x approaches infinity using the ε-δ definition. The correct formulation is established as: for every N>0, there exists M>0 such that for every x>M, f(x)>N. Participants clarify that the initial attempt was close but needed adjustment regarding the relationship between M and N. A specific example involving the limit of x cos(1/x) is explored, with considerations on how to select M to ensure the proof holds. The conversation emphasizes understanding the behavior of the cosine function as x increases and its impact on the limit.
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Homework Statement


I am required to express in \varepsilon - \delta way what I'm suppose to prove in case lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty

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So first, intuitively I thought that what this means is that f(x) is bigger than any arbitrary number when x is bigger than any arbitrary number. So I attempted to combine the \varepsilon - \delta definitions of when x tends to infinity and when limit f(x) tends to infinity.

I came up with this:
lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty if for every M>0 there exists N>0 so that for every x>M, f(x)>N.

I am unsure of whether it's the correct definition. Anyone can verify that?
 
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Hi IdanH14! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a delta: δ and an epsilon: ε and an infinity: ∞ :wink:)
IdanH14 said:
lim_\below{(x \rightarrow \infty)} f(x) = \infty if for every M>0 there exists N>0 so that for every x>M, f(x)>N.

Yes :smile:, except it's the other way round …

no matter how large N is, we can find an M above which f(x) > N. :wink:

(you get the same result if you use 1/f, 1/δ, and 1/ε)
 
Thanks! :)
Let me summarize it to see if I got it. It should be
For every N>0 there exists M>0, so that for every x>M, f(x)>N
Right?
 
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IdanH14 said:
Thanks! :)
Let me summarize it to see if I got it. It should be
For every N>0 there exists M>0, so that for every x>M, f(x)>N
Right?

Right! :biggrin:
 
I like you usage of icons. I think I'll adopt it. ;)

Now, I'm trying to solve an exercise in my math book with this principle. Despite the fact I already learned infinite limits arithmetics, I'm required to prove that lim_\below{x\rightarrow \infty}) x cos\frac{1}{x} = \infty in this cumbersome way. So I think I have a solution, but again, my insecurities creep in. :devil:

So I noticed that the bigger x gets, the closer cos\frac{1}{x} gets to 1. If I'll choose M=N then, unless they N=\infty I'll get something that's smaller than N, because X is multiplied by something which is close to 1, but doesn't equal 1. But if M=2N then problem eliminated. Almost. :bugeye:

Why almost? Because if \frac{1}{x}>1 then cos\frac{1}{x} is potentially getting farther from 1. So, what I was thinking was to say M=max(1,2N) and then problem solved.

I hope I'm clear enough. Is this a valid proof? Did I find for every N>0 an M>0 that meet the requirements?

Thanks :)
 
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IdanH14 said:
… So I noticed that the bigger x gets, the closer cos\frac{1}{x} gets to 1.

That's correct.

I can work out why you're then using M = 2N (because of course M = N doesn't quite work), but you haven't actually specified why M = 2N does work. :smile:

(for example, does it work for any N?)
 
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