Initial Value Differential Equation Problem

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The discussion revolves around a system of initial value differential equations involving two functions, y1 and y2, with specific initial conditions. Participants express confusion regarding the approach to solving the system, particularly with multiple dependent variables.

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  • Participants explore various methods, including eigenvectors and differentiation, to tackle the system of equations. Questions arise about the correctness of assumptions and the formulation of particular solutions.

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There is an active exchange of ideas with some participants suggesting different approaches, such as using eigenvectors or differentiating the equations. Several participants are checking their assumptions and calculations, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem without reaching a definitive solution.

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Some participants note the challenge of working with multiple dependent variables, as this topic has not been extensively covered in their coursework. There are also references to specific calculations and assumptions that may require further validation.

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y1' = y1 + 4y2 - t2 +6t
y2' = y1 + y2 - t2 + t -1

y1(0) = 2
y2(0) = -1

Could someone give me a nudge as to how to properly complete this problem? We never really went over anything with multiple y values and I am a little confused as to how I should approach this problem.

Thank you in advance.
 
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Is there another expression for [tex]y_2 '[/tex] which you didn't include?
 
Yes Defender, I have added it to my original post.

I am just not sure what the first step would be at this point.
 
Wildcat04 said:
y1' = y1 + 4y2 - t2 +6t
y2' = y1 + y2 - t2 + t -1

y1(0) = 2
y2(0) = -1

Hi Wildcat04! :smile:

hmm :rolleyes: … hint: eigenvectors! :wink:
 
Ok, I should have thought of that...I think that I have found the homogen. part of the solution but I am struggling with the particular solution.

Sorry about the matrices, I haven't figured out how to make them look nice so I am using TI89 notation :shy:

y' = [[1 4][1 1]] [y1 y2]

det => [tex]\lambda = 3, -1[/tex]

yhomo = c1 [[2][-1]] e3t + c2 [[2][-1]] e-t

Now for the particular solution

g1 = t2 + 6t
g2 = -t2 + t - 1

yp of the form:

(at2 + bt + c)
(dt2 + et + d)

Am I heading the right direction?



 
Wildcat04 said:
yhomo = c1 [[2][-1]] e3t + c2 [[2][-1]] e-t

Are they both [[2][-1]]?
Now for the particular solution

g1 = t2 + 6t
g2 = -t2 + t - 1

yp of the form:

(at2 + bt + c)
(dt2 + et + d)

Am I heading the right direction?

hmm … I'm a bit lost here …

i expect there is a matrix way of doing it …

but i was just going to separate into the two eigenvectors, and solve for each separately. :redface:
 
Or equivalently, a little simpler in concept but harder calculations:

Differentiate y1'= y1 + 4y2 - t2 +6t with respect to t to get y1"= y1'+ 4y2'- t2+ 6t. Since y2'= y1 + y2 - t2 + t -1, that is y1"= y1'+ 4y1- 4y2- 4t2+ 4t- 4- t2+ 6t= y1'+ 4y1- 4y2- 5t2+ 10t- 4.

But from the first equation, 4y2= y1'- y1+ t2- 6t so
y1"= y1'+ (y1'- y1+ t2[/sup- 6t)- 5t2+ 10t- 4 or

y1"= 2y1'- y1- 4t2+ 4t+ 4 or

y1"- 2y1'+ y1= -4t2+ 4t+ 4
with y1(0)= 2 and, since 4y2(0)= -4= y1'(0)- y1(0)+ 02- 6(0)= y1'(0)-2,
y'(0)= -2.

Solve that equation for y1(x) and then use 4y2= y1'- y1+ t2- 6t to solve for y2(x).
 
Going off of Halls of Ivy's equations,

Please let me know if these are correct assumptions

y1'(0) = -2 => y1'(t) = t - 2
y1(0) = 2 => y1(t) = .5t2 - 2t +2

4y2 = y1' + y1 + t2 - 6t
4y2 = t - 2 - .5t2 + 2t - 2 + t2 - 6t
4y2 = -.5t2 - 3t -4

=> y2(t) = -.125t2 - .75t -1
 
Tiny Tim,

For my own sake I also wanted to try and do it using eigenvectors and I think that I have reached a solution (or at least I think that I am close). If you get a chance could you please take a look and let me know if it is correct?

[tex]\lambda = 3, -1[/tex]

y(t)homogen = c1[[1][2]]e3t + c2[[1][-2]]e-t

[tex]\varsigma[/tex] (1) = 1/(12 + 22).5 [[1][2]] = 1/(5).5 [[1][2]]

[tex]\varsigma[/tex] (2) = 1/(5).5 [[1][-2]]

T=(1/(5).5) [[1,1][2,-2]]

T-1 = [[1.2][1,-2]]

=> =>

y1' - 3y1 = -3/(5).5t2 + 8/(5).5t

y1(t) = 1/(5).5t2 + 2.66/(5).5t + (c1e3t)/3 + (c2e-t)/3

y2' + y2 = 1/(5).5t2 + 4/(5).5t

y2(t) = 1/(5).5t2 + 4/(5).5t - c1e3t -c2e-t


Am I completely off base or is this a reasonable solution?

Thanks!
 
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Wildcat04 said:
Going off of Halls of Ivy's equations,

Please let me know if these are correct assumptions

y1'(0) = -2 => y1'(t) = t - 2
Are you assuming that y1"(t)= 1 for all t? Why?
As I said before, y1"- 2y1'+ y1= -4t2+ 4t+ 4

You said before that the problem was "We never really went over anything with multiple y values" so I assume you can solve a d.e. with a single y1.

y1(0) = 2 => y1(t) = .5t2 - 2t +2

4y2 = y1' + y1 + t2 - 6t
4y2 = t - 2 - .5t2 + 2t - 2 + t2 - 6t
4y2 = -.5t2 - 3t -4

=> y2(t) = -.125t2 - .75t -1
 

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