Initial Velocity and Changes in SHM Formulae

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of initial velocity on the mathematics and formulae of simple harmonic motion (SHM) when a particle is subjected to a force field. Participants explore how initial conditions influence oscillation characteristics and equilibrium positions, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the changes in SHM formulae when a particle with an initial velocity is introduced, questioning the amplitude of oscillations and the equilibrium position.
  • Another participant asserts that the equilibrium position is determined by the point where the restoring force is zero, independent of initial velocity, suggesting that amplitude can be found using conservation of energy.
  • A different viewpoint presents the mathematical solutions for SHM, indicating that initial conditions (position and velocity) can be combined to describe the motion.
  • One participant calculates kinetic and potential energy, concluding that total energy remains constant, but raises a question about the particle's behavior when it interacts with the linear force field.
  • Another participant argues that the motion may not remain simple harmonic if the amplitude exceeds certain limits, suggesting that large displacements could lead to a transition from SHM to parabolic motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of initial velocity for SHM, with some asserting that the equilibrium position remains constant while others suggest that large amplitudes could alter the nature of the motion. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall behavior of the system under these conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the presence of a linear force field complicates the analysis, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which SHM can be maintained versus when the motion transitions to parabolic behavior.

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Does anyone know how the mathematics/formulae of SHM (say a particle in a force field, with the standard a=-d) changes when the particle is given an initial velocity independent of the force causing SHM?

For example in 1D say we have a graph of acceleration-displacement in the standard form y=-x for x from -inf to +inf, but this force is turned off. A particle is then accelerated, and arrives at point (10,-10) with an initial velocity of -200. Then the SHM causing force is turned on, and the other off.

How big would the osciallations be, and which point would be the equilibrium position?

Many Thanks,
 
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rbn251 said:
How big would the osciallations be, and which point would be the equilibrium position?
The equilibrium position is where the restoring force is zero; that is independent of initial velocity.

You can figure out the amplitude using conservation of energy. Find the point where all the energy is potential and that's the amplitude of the oscillation.
 
Regardless of the initial conditions, you will get SHM about the same equilibrium as Doc Al mentioned. If you are at rest at position x0 at t0 then the solution is ##x_0 \; \cos(\omega(t-t_0))##. If you are at the equilibrium position with some velocity v0 at t0 then the solution is ##v_0/\omega \; \sin(\omega(t-t_0))##. If you have a position x0 and a velocity v0 at t0 then you just add up those two solutions.
 
Kl, thanks

So for initial speed of √200 and mass=1, k=1,

KE=1/2*1*200 = 100J.

From the position (I assume we need to shift to -10 and not use 0)

PE=1/2*k*(-10)^2 = 50J

So total is always 150J and PE on its own is 150J when x=+/- 17.3

However, the specific question this is from is attached, where infact the linear force always remains. So does the particle venture back into the linear force area, and undergo a slightly distorted SHM?
 

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This would not be simple harmonic motion in general. The equilibrium position will be -10, and it will undergo SHM only if the amplitude is small (10 or less). If the amplitude is large then large displacements will go from SHM to parabolic motion. So it would be something like a cosine with the tops chopped off and replaced with parabolas.
 

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