Instantaneous power as a function of time

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of instantaneous power as a function of time, specifically using the given voltage and current functions v(t) = t - 4 and i(t) = 3t. Participants explore whether integration is necessary in this context and clarify the definition of power in relation to voltage and current.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that instantaneous power is defined as p(t) = v(t) * i(t), suggesting that integration is not required.
  • Others question whether the integration of the product of v(t) and i(t) is necessary or if derivatives should be taken first before multiplication.
  • One participant mentions that power can also be expressed as the derivative of work with respect to time, p(t) = dW(t)/dt, which introduces a broader context for understanding power.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying concepts rather than relying solely on formulas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether integration is necessary for calculating instantaneous power. Some participants agree that power can be calculated directly from the product of voltage and current, while others suggest that integration may be relevant in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different interpretations of power and its calculation, indicating potential misunderstandings or varying definitions of terms like work and energy. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in mathematical operations and definitions.

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Homework Statement


If v(t) = t - 4 and i(t) = 3t, find the instantaneous power p(t) as a function of time.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


p(t) = ∫ v(t)*i(t) dt
p(t) = ∫ (t-4)*(3t) dt

Is it correct to do this? Or am I supposed to take the derivative of the functions v(t) and i(t) first and then multiply them and take the integral? Thanks!
 
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jdawg said:

Homework Statement


If v(t) = t - 4 and i(t) = 3t, find the instantaneous power p(t) as a function of time.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


p(t) = ∫ v(t)*i(t) dt
p(t) = ∫ (t-4)*(3t) dt

Is it correct to do this? Or am I supposed to take the derivative of the functions v(t) and i(t) first and then multiply them and take the integral? Thanks!

Usually power is defined as ##p(t) = v(t) i(t)##. In a more general sense ##p(t) = \frac{dW(t)}{dt}## where ##W(t)## is the work function.
 
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Why do you want to bring calculus into it? Power is voltage times current. P = V * I, which in this case is P(t) = V(t) * I(t)

EDIT: I see zondrina beat me to it.
 
So I don't need to integrate? I was just using a formula that I found in my notes.
 
jdawg said:
So I don't need to integrate? I was just using a formula that I found in my notes.

No integration is required. Perhaps what you are referring to is the change in energy:

$$\Delta W = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} p(t) \space dt = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} v(t) i(t) \space dt$$
 
jdawg said:
So I don't need to integrate? I was just using a formula that I found in my notes.
Using forumlae without understanding them is a terrible idea. Forget the forumlae. Focus on the concepts.

In specific answer to your question, re-read post #3

EDIT: HA ... again zondrina beat me to it.
 
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Zondrina said:
No integration is required. Perhaps what you are referring to is the change in energy:

$$\Delta W = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} p(t) \space dt = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} v(t) i(t) \space dt$$
Yeah that's the one!
 

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