Integral 1/(sqroot(84+16x+4x^2))

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function 1/(sqrt(84 + 16x + 4x^2)), with participants comparing their results to those from WolframAlpha. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on integration techniques.

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  • Participants explore various substitution methods, including u-substitution and trigonometric substitution, while questioning the steps involved in these approaches. Some express confusion regarding hyperbolic functions and their application in the integration process.

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Could you please check this integration?

I get a different answer from WolframAlpha.

Integral of 1/(sqroot(84+16x+4x^2)) dx

Look at picture please! I apologize for the other physiology information. I have no more clean scrap paper left.
 

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alingy1 said:
Could you please check this integration?

I get a different answer from WolframAlpha.

Integral of 1/(sqroot(84+16x+4x^2)) dx

Look at picture please! I apologize for the other physiology information. I have no more clean scrap paper left.

So far as [tex] \int \frac 1{\sqrt{84 + 16x + 4x^2}}\,dx = \frac14 \int \frac{2(x+2)}{(x + 2)\sqrt{(x+ 2)^2 + 17}}\,dx[/tex] I agree with your calculations. You now appear to substitute [itex]u = (x + 2)^2 + 17[/itex], with [itex]du = 2(x + 2)\,dx[/itex], from which you should obtain [tex] \frac14 \int \frac{2(x+2)}{(x + 2)\sqrt{(x+ 2)^2 + 17}}\,dx = \frac14 \int \frac{1}{(x + 2)\sqrt{u}}\,du = \frac14 \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{u - 17}\sqrt{u}}\,du[/tex] rather than [tex]\frac14 \int \frac{1}{u\sqrt{u^2 + 17}}\,du[/tex] which is what you have.

It would have been better to substitute [itex]x + 2 = \sqrt{17} \sinh \theta[/itex] after completing the square in the denominator. The motivation for this is that [itex]\cosh^2 \theta = 1 + \sinh^2 \theta[/itex] and the derivative of [itex]\sinh \theta[/itex] is [itex]\cosh \theta[/itex]. You therefore end up with a constant integrand.
 
The issue here is when you do the u substitution and plug in your values for u. You should have written

##\frac{1}{4}\displaystyle\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{u-17}\sqrt{u}}du##


I wouldn't do u-substitution for this problem. Try doing trig substitution: ##x+2=\sqrt{17}\tan{\theta}##
 
Hi, I have never been introduced to those wild "sinh" functions! Let me get back to you after a few minutes of sweat.
 
Oh. I understand. Then, I'm in a bit of a sticky situation... Since, I cannot use sinh cosh etc.., I'm stuck with a trig sub.
 
Hmm. At which step should I do the trig sub?
 
alingy1 said:
Hmm. At which step should I do the trig sub?

The step after you complete the square in the denominator. If you haven't learned hyberbolic trig functions, then use my suggestion. I have a feeling pasmith's substitution is a bit cleaner but there is nothing incorrect about using tangent.
 
Dear Sirs/Madams,
Here is my second attempt. But, I graphed it and it does not give the same answer as the hyperbolic function that wolfram alpha gives me.
 

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That looks good to me. What did Wolfram give as an answer? Likely, you could manipulate that answer into the answer you gave.
 
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ArcSinh[(2 + x)/Sqrt[17]]/2
 
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The functions do not match!
 
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alingy1 said:
ArcSinh[(2 + x)/Sqrt[17]]/2

They are equivalent to each other. Plug their difference into WolframAlpha to see:

ArcSinh[(2 + x)/Sqrt[17]]/2 - 1/2log(sqrt{(x+2)^2+17}/sqrt(17)+(x+2)/sqrt(17))

A good exercise for you would be to use the definition of arcsinh to write that form into your form.

As a starting point: ##\sinh^{-1}{x}=\ln{(x+\sqrt{1+x^2})}##
 
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alingy1 said:
Could you please check this integration?

I get a different answer from WolframAlpha.

Integral of 1/(sqroot(84+16x+4x^2)) dx

Look at picture please! I apologize for the other physiology information. I have no more clean scrap paper left.

If you set ##y = x+2## you have an integral of the form
[tex]\int \frac{dy}{\sqrt{y^2 + a^2}} \: (a > 0)[/tex]
(times a constant), and if you further put ##y = \sqrt{a}\: u## you end up having to do the integral
[tex] \int \frac{du}{\sqrt{u^2+1}}[/tex]
You might as well do this integral once-and-for-all, then use it in your current problem.
 

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