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The forum discussion revolves around integrating mathematical expressions involving constant vectors and unit vectors in spherical coordinates. Participants engage in solving integrals such as J(a,b,c,d) = ∫(a·r)(b·r)(c·r)(d·r) d(cos(θ)) and I(a,K) = ∫(a·r)/(1+K·r) d(cos(θ)). The final answer for J(a,b,c,d) is established as 2/15 [(a·b)(c·d)+(a·c)(b·d)+(a·d)(b·c)], emphasizing the scalar product between vectors. The discussion also highlights the importance of using LaTeX for clarity in mathematical communication.

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  • #31
benorin said:
show that
\int\int\int \left( \vec{a}\cdot\vec{r}\right) \left( \vec{b}\cdot\vec{r}\right) \left( \vec{c}\cdot\vec{r}\right) dV =\frac{ \left( \alpha\beta\gamma\right) ^2}{8\left| \vec{a}\cdot\left( \vec{b}\times\vec{c}\right) \right|}
(this one comes out of Stewart, Calculus 4th ed., ch. 15 Problems Plus #4 on pg. 1038).
Enjoy :rolleyes:

The integral is scalar. a.(bxc) is the only scalar formed from three vectors. But this scalar is antisymmetric, while the integral is symmetric. So, we must have |a.(bxc)|.
Thus, we can write,
\int (\vec{a}.\vec{r})(\vec{b}.\vec{r})(\vec{c}.\vec{r}) dV=A[\left| \vec{a}\cdot\left( \vec{b}\times\vec{c} \right) \right|]^n
now take,
\vec{a}=\hat{i}|\vec{a}|, \vec{b}=\hat{j}|\vec{b}|, and, \vec{c}=\hat{k}|\vec{c}|
and find;
n=-1 and A=\frac{(\alpha\beta\gamma)^2}{8}


regards

sam
 
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  • #32
integrate this:
I( \vec{a}, \vec{K})= \int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{( \vec{a}. \hat{r})} {(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})} d(cos{\theta})
I will do this around this time tomorow, till then,(hint); think about this
J(\vec{K})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta})
If you know the nature of this integral, the rest will be very easy:confused:

regards

sam
 
  • #33
samalkhaiat said:
I will do this around this time tomorow, till then,(hint); think about this
J(\vec{K})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta})
If you know the nature of this integral, the rest will be very easy:confused:
regards
sam

Hi every one,

Note that, \vec{J(K)}=\int_{-1}^{+1}\frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta}), is a vector. Since K is the only available vector, we must have, for some constant A;
\vec{J(K)}=A\vec{K}

Thus,

A=\frac{\vec{K}.\vec{J(K)}}{K^2}=\frac{1}{K^2} \int_{-1}^{+1}\frac{\vec{K}. \hat{r}}{1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r}} d(cos{\theta})

this can be written as,

A=\frac{1}{K^2}\int_{-1}^{+1}[1-\frac{1}{1+ \vec{K}.\hat{r}}]d(cos{\theta})

note that, \vec{K}. \hat{r}=|K|cos{\theta},thus

A=\frac{1}{K^2}[2- \frac{1}{|K|} ln( \frac{1+|K|}{1-|K|})]

Now you have A, you get

\vec{J(K)}=A\vec{K}

and,

I(\vec{a},\vec{K})= \vec{J}. \vec{a}=\frac{\vec{a}.\vec{K}}{K^2}[2-\frac{1}{|K|}ln(\frac{1+|K|}{1-|K|})]

Job done:wink:

regards

sam
 
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  • #34

This, very challenging one, is for all PF members and mentors, Integrate this

\Gamma(\vec{k},\vec{p})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{d(cos{\theta})}{(1+ \vec{k}. \hat{r})(1+ \vec{p}. \hat{r})}


regards


sam
 
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  • #35
why do i feeel i am talikng to billy criystal?
 
  • #36
mathwonk said:
why do i feeel i am talikng to billy criystal?

talikng?, Do you mean "talking"?:wink:
criystal?, Do you mean "cristall", "crystal" or what?:confused:
Mathwonk, I hope you spelt this one right:blushing: , are you a comedian by any chance? I must admit, you made me laugh:smile: :smile:

You think this thread is turning to a one-man-show. Yes, so what? This does not bother me because many people, I believe, have gained some useful mathematical tricks from this (hot) thread. And this makes me happyo:)
Look, if you can not do the integrals, you could, either ask questions or don't reply to the posts.:mad:
I remember, I spent four hours trying to do the last integral. So, it is not a shameful thing, if you can not do it! But again, the problem is you call yourself mathwonk and you are supposed to be a science advisor:-p
Ok, mathwonk-science advisor, I consider myself lucky, for I will never need your advice.:devil:

Byeeee

sam
 
  • #37
samalkhaiat said:
talikng?, Do you mean "talking"?:wink:
criystal?, Do you mean "cristall", "crystal" or what?:confused:
Mathwonk, I hope you spelt this one right:blushing: , are you a comedian by any chance? I must admit, you made me laugh:smile: :smile:
You think this thread is turning to a one-man-show. Yes, so what? This does not bother me because many people, I believe, have gained some useful mathematical tricks from this (hot) thread. And this makes me happyo:)
Look, if you can not do the integrals, you could, either ask questions or don't reply to the posts.:mad:
I remember, I spent four hours trying to do the last integral. So, it is not a shameful thing, if you can not do it! But again, the problem is you call yourself mathwonk and you are supposed to be a science advisor:-p
Ok, mathwonk-science advisor, I consider myself lucky, for I will never need your advice.:devil:
Byeeee
sam
The job of an advisor is not to answer any challenge problem (or show-off) problem. Their job is to help individual who has difficulty in certain field (since this is a Sciences/Maths forum.) Since all your difficulties of these questions have been solved by yourself, I personally don’t think that they are responsible to answer solved problem of yours. If you really have difficulty to do your homework or make an important decision of your life, I am sure they are more than happy to give you advice.

Sorry for my broken English :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
  • #38
I think this thread is about done.
 

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