Integrate Fun Math Challenges for New Year's Celebration

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The discussion revolves around integrating mathematical expressions involving vectors and spherical coordinates as a fun challenge for New Year's. Participants express confusion over the notation used, particularly the use of "8" instead of the traditional theta symbol for angles. There is a debate about the correctness of proposed answers and the complexity of the integrals, with some contributors suggesting that the problems are not trivial and relate to advanced physics concepts. The conversation also touches on the importance of using LaTeX for clarity in mathematical communication. Overall, the thread highlights both the enjoyment and challenges of tackling complex integrals in a collaborative setting.
  • #31
benorin said:
show that
\int\int\int \left( \vec{a}\cdot\vec{r}\right) \left( \vec{b}\cdot\vec{r}\right) \left( \vec{c}\cdot\vec{r}\right) dV =\frac{ \left( \alpha\beta\gamma\right) ^2}{8\left| \vec{a}\cdot\left( \vec{b}\times\vec{c}\right) \right|}
(this one comes out of Stewart, Calculus 4th ed., ch. 15 Problems Plus #4 on pg. 1038).
Enjoy :rolleyes:

The integral is scalar. a.(bxc) is the only scalar formed from three vectors. But this scalar is antisymmetric, while the integral is symmetric. So, we must have |a.(bxc)|.
Thus, we can write,
\int (\vec{a}.\vec{r})(\vec{b}.\vec{r})(\vec{c}.\vec{r}) dV=A[\left| \vec{a}\cdot\left( \vec{b}\times\vec{c} \right) \right|]^n
now take,
\vec{a}=\hat{i}|\vec{a}|, \vec{b}=\hat{j}|\vec{b}|, and, \vec{c}=\hat{k}|\vec{c}|
and find;
n=-1 and A=\frac{(\alpha\beta\gamma)^2}{8}


regards

sam
 
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  • #32
integrate this:
I( \vec{a}, \vec{K})= \int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{( \vec{a}. \hat{r})} {(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})} d(cos{\theta})
I will do this around this time tomorow, till then,(hint); think about this
J(\vec{K})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta})
If you know the nature of this integral, the rest will be very easy:confused:

regards

sam
 
  • #33
samalkhaiat said:
I will do this around this time tomorow, till then,(hint); think about this
J(\vec{K})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta})
If you know the nature of this integral, the rest will be very easy:confused:
regards
sam

Hi every one,

Note that, \vec{J(K)}=\int_{-1}^{+1}\frac{\hat{r} }{(1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r})}d(cos{\theta}), is a vector. Since K is the only available vector, we must have, for some constant A;
\vec{J(K)}=A\vec{K}

Thus,

A=\frac{\vec{K}.\vec{J(K)}}{K^2}=\frac{1}{K^2} \int_{-1}^{+1}\frac{\vec{K}. \hat{r}}{1+ \vec{K}. \hat{r}} d(cos{\theta})

this can be written as,

A=\frac{1}{K^2}\int_{-1}^{+1}[1-\frac{1}{1+ \vec{K}.\hat{r}}]d(cos{\theta})

note that, \vec{K}. \hat{r}=|K|cos{\theta},thus

A=\frac{1}{K^2}[2- \frac{1}{|K|} ln( \frac{1+|K|}{1-|K|})]

Now you have A, you get

\vec{J(K)}=A\vec{K}

and,

I(\vec{a},\vec{K})= \vec{J}. \vec{a}=\frac{\vec{a}.\vec{K}}{K^2}[2-\frac{1}{|K|}ln(\frac{1+|K|}{1-|K|})]

Job done:wink:

regards

sam
 
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  • #34

This, very challenging one, is for all PF members and mentors, Integrate this

\Gamma(\vec{k},\vec{p})=\int_{-1}^{+1} \frac{d(cos{\theta})}{(1+ \vec{k}. \hat{r})(1+ \vec{p}. \hat{r})}


regards


sam
 
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  • #35
why do i feeel i am talikng to billy criystal?
 
  • #36
mathwonk said:
why do i feeel i am talikng to billy criystal?

talikng?, Do you mean "talking"?:wink:
criystal?, Do you mean "cristall", "crystal" or what?:confused:
Mathwonk, I hope you spelt this one right:blushing: , are you a comedian by any chance? I must admit, you made me laugh:smile: :smile:

You think this thread is turning to a one-man-show. Yes, so what? This does not bother me because many people, I believe, have gained some useful mathematical tricks from this (hot) thread. And this makes me happyo:)
Look, if you can not do the integrals, you could, either ask questions or don't reply to the posts.:mad:
I remember, I spent four hours trying to do the last integral. So, it is not a shameful thing, if you can not do it! But again, the problem is you call yourself mathwonk and you are supposed to be a science advisor:-p
Ok, mathwonk-science advisor, I consider myself lucky, for I will never need your advice.:devil:

Byeeee

sam
 
  • #37
samalkhaiat said:
talikng?, Do you mean "talking"?:wink:
criystal?, Do you mean "cristall", "crystal" or what?:confused:
Mathwonk, I hope you spelt this one right:blushing: , are you a comedian by any chance? I must admit, you made me laugh:smile: :smile:
You think this thread is turning to a one-man-show. Yes, so what? This does not bother me because many people, I believe, have gained some useful mathematical tricks from this (hot) thread. And this makes me happyo:)
Look, if you can not do the integrals, you could, either ask questions or don't reply to the posts.:mad:
I remember, I spent four hours trying to do the last integral. So, it is not a shameful thing, if you can not do it! But again, the problem is you call yourself mathwonk and you are supposed to be a science advisor:-p
Ok, mathwonk-science advisor, I consider myself lucky, for I will never need your advice.:devil:
Byeeee
sam
The job of an advisor is not to answer any challenge problem (or show-off) problem. Their job is to help individual who has difficulty in certain field (since this is a Sciences/Maths forum.) Since all your difficulties of these questions have been solved by yourself, I personally don’t think that they are responsible to answer solved problem of yours. If you really have difficulty to do your homework or make an important decision of your life, I am sure they are more than happy to give you advice.

Sorry for my broken English :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
  • #38
I think this thread is about done.
 

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