Integrating arcsin: Solving \int \sqrt{9-x^{2}}dx with step-by-step explanation

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The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int \sqrt{9-x^{2}}dx\). The original poster has attempted to simplify the integral but is struggling with a specific part involving the integral of \(\frac{1}{\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}dx\) and is unsure about a factor of \(1/3\) that appears in their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the integral into a form involving arcsin and question the implications of the substitution \(u = \frac{x}{3}\). There is also mention of using trigonometric substitution as an alternative approach.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the substitution process and noted the importance of correctly handling the differential when making substitutions. There is acknowledgment of different methods that could simplify the integral, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

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The original poster expresses frustration over the factor of \(1/3\) and indicates a lack of familiarity with certain substitution techniques. There is a sense of uncertainty regarding the application of these methods in the context of the problem.

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The problem, from the very beginning, was:

[tex]\int \sqrt{9-x^{2}}dx[/tex]

But this I have reduced to:

[tex]\int \sqrt{9-x^{2}}dx = \frac{x}{2} \sqrt{9-x^{2}} + \frac{9}{2} \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}dx[/tex]

My problem is that last integral - I get a factor of (1/3) times the correct answer and I don't know what to do - I simply can't see it.

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[tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}dx = arcsinx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I look at it and want to "transform" my expression into something like the arcsin expression above. So I say:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}dx = \int \frac{1}{3\sqrt{1-\frac{x^{2}}{9}}}dx[/tex]

and from there get:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{9-x^{2}}}dx = \frac{1}{3}arcsin\frac{x}{3}[/tex]

but you're not supposed to get that factor of 1/3 - you're not supposed to remove it? Can anyone explain to me what I'm missing? I've searched my textbook so many times now I'm about to throw it into the wall or something..
 
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[tex]\int \frac{{\rm d}u}{\sqrt{1-u^2}}=\arcsin u[/tex]

but here we have

[tex]\int \frac{{\rm d}x}{\sqrt{1-\left(\frac x 3 \right)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]u= \frac x 3 \Rightarrow {\rm d}x= ?[/tex]
 
You need to use that relevant equation to deal with [tex]\frac{x}{3}[/tex] and not just [tex]x[/tex]. Be careful with that substitution!

Also, a more natural way to deal with the original integral would be to consider the substitution [tex]x=3 \sin \theta[/tex] and go from there using some trig identities
 
Ohh, I think I get it now, thank you! I'd say it needs dx/3, so my 1/3 "disappears" (for lack of better wording).

Anyway, as for that last comment - you're probably right, but I don't think I've seen that type of thing being used before.
 
Hannisch said:
Anyway, as for that last comment - you're probably right, but I don't think I've seen that type of thing being used before.

No need to worry really. You will come across it sooner or later and it's good to know
 
You could also have used the trig substitution x = 3sinθ which should make the integral pretty easy to work with.
 

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