Integrating Double Integrals: From 0 to 1 & -x to 0

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral with specified limits, specifically integrating the function \(\frac{y \sin(\pi y^2)}{1+y}\) over the region defined by \(0 \leq x \leq 1\) and \(-x \leq y \leq 0\). Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the feasibility of solving the integral directly.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest changing the order of integration and question the limits for \(x\) and \(y\). Others express confusion about how to start the integration process and whether the limits remain the same when switching the order. There are discussions about visualizing the domain in the x-y plane and determining new limits for integration.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and discussing potential approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding changing the order of integration and visualizing the domain, but there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed with the integration.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention feeling overwhelmed and uncertain, with one noting a lack of sleep affecting their ability to engage with the problem. There is also a reference to the problem being a practice exercise rather than a formal homework assignment.

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\int^{1}_{0}\int^{0}_{-x} \frac{ysin(pi*y^2)}{1+y} dydx

Not exactly sue how to start this. I know that I need to integrate with respect to y first then use that solution and integrate again with respect to x however I do not believe integrating the initial problem is possible. Is there another way to go about solving this?
 
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Change the order of integration. If you are going to integrate dx first, what are the x limits?
 
pretty sure the input got messed up and i couldn't fix it. limits are -x to 0 for y and 0 to 1 for x
 
Kreamer said:
pretty sure the input got messed up and i couldn't fix it. limits are -x to 0 for y and 0 to 1 for x

The input is readable. I mean change the order of integration. Draw a picture of the domain in the x-y plane. If you change the order of integration you have to figure out new limits.
 
I am not following. I can't even begin to integrate it, regardless of the limits.
 
Kreamer said:
I am not following. I can't even begin to integrate it, regardless of the limits.

The integrand is a function only of y. You could certainly integrate that dx. That's the trick. Change the limits so you integrate dx first. Once you do that integration, you'll wind up with something you CAN integrate dy.
 
Kreamer said:
\int^{1}_{0} \int^{0}_{-x}\frac{ysin(\pi y^2)}{1+y} dy dx

Not exactly sue how to start this. I know that I need to integrate with respect to y first then use that solution and integrate again with respect to x however I do not believe integrating the initial problem is possible. Is there another way to go about solving this?

A tip with the LaTeX notation, it works better if you put the entire expression inside single LaTeX tags as I did above when I quoted your post. I don't believe that quotes can be quoted, though, so here's the expression again if you want to read it.

\int^{1}_{0} \int^{0}_{-x}\frac{ysin(\pi y^2)}{1+y} dy dx[/tex*]
 
Would the limits still be 0 to 1 for x then -x to 0 for y? I am running on 3 hours of sleep so I feel completely lost sorry.

If so switching the order would only add an x to the equation then plug in a 1 for the x and a subtracting the 0 form of the equation giving me a single integral of just what's above... right?

I know it isn't really what you are supposed to do or may like to do but is there anyway you can show me the steps of solving it? I am better at learning by following. Its a practice problem, not homework or anything. Not taking credit for your work for a grade or anything
 
Kreamer said:
Would the limits still be 0 to 1 for x then -x to 0 for y? I am running on 3 hours of sleep so I feel completely lost sorry.

If so switching the order would only add an x to the equation then plug in a 1 for the x and a subtracting the 0 form of the equation giving me a single integral of just what's above... right?

I know it isn't really what you are supposed to do or may like to do but is there anyway you can show me the steps of solving it? I am better at learning by following. Its a practice problem, not homework or anything. Not taking credit for your work for a grade or anything

Still best if you do it. The domain is the triangle formed by the three points (0,0), (1,0) and (1,-1), right? Did you draw that? Now you want to integrate your function on that dx first. Draw a horizontal line through the triangle at a value of y. What are the x limits in terms of y?
 
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I am sorry my brain is just fried, got to go take the test now. Wish me luck :/
 
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Kreamer said:
I am sorry my brain is just fried, got to go take the test now. Wish me luck :/

Good luck!
 
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I wish you luck.
 

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