Integrating: Help with \int {\frac {1}{\sqrt {{e^{x}}+1}}} dx

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The problem involves the integral \(\int {\frac {1}{\sqrt {{e^{x}}+1}}} dx\), which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but finds it complicates the problem. They also consider a substitution involving \(e^x + 1\) but express uncertainty about its effectiveness. Other participants suggest hyperbolic trigonometric substitution and normal trigonometric substitutions, while some express unfamiliarity with these methods. There is discussion about using partial fractions and the implications of substituting \(u^2 = e^x + 1\) or \(e^x - 1\), with participants questioning the resulting expressions and their integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various substitution techniques and expressing their uncertainties about the methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential substitutions, but there is no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints such as their current knowledge level, specifically that they have only covered integration by parts and not hyperbolic substitutions or partial fractions. There is also a mention of a typo regarding the integral's expression, which may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement


[itex] \int {\frac {1}{\sqrt {{e^{x}}+1}}} dx[/itex]


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I tried integration by parts, using [itex]{\frac {1}{\sqrt {{e^{x}}+1}}}[/itex] as u and dx as dv. This seemed to make the problem more complicated. Using e^x+1 as a u substitution won't work either. Any help getting on the right path would be greatly appreciated!
 
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You could try hyperbolic trig sub. such as ex=sinhu
 
I don't know what hyperbolic trig sub. is yet. We've just gotten to integration by parts.
 
negatifzeo said:
I don't know what hyperbolic trig sub. is yet. We've just gotten to integration by parts.

Have you done normal trig substitutions? As ex=tan2u looks like it would work out fine
 
Nope. Maybe it's a problem I'm just supposed to try and not succeed at.
 
negatifzeo said:
Nope. Maybe it's a problem I'm just supposed to try and not succeed at.

Did you learn partial fractions yet? If you did try putting [itex]u^2=e^x+1[/itex] and post back what you tried.
 
I'm not sure of the procedure when using that technique. if u^2=e^x+1, then does the integral become 1/u? Then the answer would just be ln(u)... I don't think that's right
 
negatifzeo said:
I'm not sure of the procedure when using that technique. if u^2=e^x+1, then does the integral become 1/u? Then the answer would just be ln(u)... I don't think that's right

u^2=e^x +1
then 2u du =e^x dx and e^x=?
and so dx =?
 
This problem is driving me nuts. There was a typo earlier, it's actually e^x-1.

Expanding on what you said, if u^2=e^x-1
2udu=e^xdx and dx=(2udu/e^x). Moving all of this stuff around is just fine and dandy but I don't know where to put it back in.
 

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