Integrating ln(x+1)/(x^2+1) from 0 to 1: Need Help!

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The discussion revolves around the integral of ln(x+1)/(x^2+1) with limits from 0 to 1. Participants are exploring methods to evaluate this integral, which appears to be challenging due to the nature of the natural logarithm and the polynomial in the denominator.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants have attempted integration by parts and u-substitution but report difficulties. Some express skepticism about the existence of an elementary antiderivative for the integral. Others suggest that the problem may be miscopied or incomplete, questioning the original setup.

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There is ongoing exploration of various integration techniques, with some participants providing guidance on the use of integration by parts. However, there is no consensus on how to proceed, and some participants are still struggling to find a viable approach.

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One participant notes that the integral is part of a bonus question with a potential prize, which may imply additional context or constraints not fully discussed in the thread.

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[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{ln(x+1)}{x^{2}+1}[/tex]

The limits of integration are from 0 to 1.

I've tried all the ways I've learned how to approach an integral so far and am stuck. (tried u-sub and by parts.)

If anyone could throw me a bone that'd be great.

Thanks!
 
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Natural log cannot be integrated, but only differentiated.

Right away, you should know to use integration by parts. The quantity ln(x+1) should be chosen for "u", because choosing it for "v" would only put you where you began.

I hope that helps. You can check your answer here: http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp

You know, if you'd like.
 
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I suspect a misprint or mis-copied problem. Apparently there is no elementary antiderivative.
 
Thanks for the help guys but I'm still stuck on this problem. I tried inputting it into wolfram online integrator and it didn't really help. I also tried by parts with the u set to what was recommended above.
 
krtica said:
Natural log cannot be integrated, but only differentiated.

Right away, you should know to use integration by parts. The quantity ln(x+1) should be chosen for "u", because choosing it for "v" would only put you where you began.

∫ln(x)dx= xln(x)-x +C :confused:


LCKurtz said:
I suspect a misprint or mis-copied problem. Apparently there is no elementary antiderivative.

this seems most true.

vm310, are you 100% sure you copied that problem correctly?
 
yeah 100%. It's suppose to be a bonus question with some sort of prize if we can work it out on paper. The problem was copied correctly on the original post, i just forgot to put a dx at the end. when i plug the equation into my calculator i get 0.272198.
 
here's what I've got so far:

u=ln(x+1)

du=[tex]\frac{dx}{(x+1)}[/tex]

dv=[tex]\frac{dx}{x^2+1}[/tex]

v=arctan(x)

using integration by parts i got:

arctan(x)ln(x+1)-[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{arctan(x)dx}{(x+1)}[/tex]

than using integration by parts again i got:

u=arctan(x)

du=[tex]\frac{dx}{1+x^2}[/tex]

dv=[tex]\frac{dx}{x+1}[/tex]

v=ln(x+1)

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{ln(x+1)dx}{x^2+1}[/tex] = arctan(x)ln(x+1)-ln(x+1)arctan(x)+[tex]\int[/tex][tex]\frac{ln(x+1)dx}{1+x^2}[/tex]

Help:cry:
 
If you are sure that is the correct integral, perhaps you are leaving out part of the question that would aid us in evaluating the integral without integration. Without any trick like that, this integral is unsolvable. Maybe you're supposed to approximate it and show your work?
 
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Thanks Bohrok that link helped a lot. :D
 
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Now try a similar one on your own:

[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi}\ln\left[\sin(x)\right]dx[/tex]
 

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