Integrating Maxwell Boltzmann Distribution in One Dimension

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The discussion revolves around integrating the Maxwell Boltzmann distribution in one dimension, specifically focusing on the calculation of the average speed, ##\langle |v_x| \rangle##, and the average velocity, ##\langle v_x \rangle##. Participants are exploring the implications of the absolute value in the context of the distribution and the limits of integration.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the treatment of the absolute value in the integral and whether the limits of integration should extend to negative values. There is confusion regarding the relationship between ##\langle |v_x| \rangle## and ##\langle v_x \rangle##.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and prompting each other to reconsider their assumptions about the limits of integration and the nature of the functions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for negative velocities.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they may have initially overlooked the requirement to integrate over negative velocities, which is crucial for accurately calculating the average velocity in this context.

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Homework Statement


I need to integrate
##\langle |v_x| \rangle = \int^{\infty}_0 |v_x| \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\pi kT}}e^{-mv_x^2/2kT}dv##
For context this is a Maxwell Boltzmann distribution in one dimension, and I've actually been asked to calculate ##\langle v_x \rangle## which is given by ##|v_x|f(v)## where ##f(v) = \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\pi kT}}e^{-mv_x^2/2kT}## is the Maxwell Boltzmann distribution in the x-direction. Not sure if the question is best put in physics or maths.

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I'm a little confused because since ##v_x## is always positive between infinity and zero (I think?) the integral is actually just ##\langle v_x \rangle##, since the mod can be ignored if it's always positive. That can't be it though, I've already been asked to calculate ##\langle v_x \rangle## in the first part of the same question. So I suppose my treatment of the mod must be wrong.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Kara386 said:

Homework Statement


I need to integrate
##\langle |v_x| \rangle = \int^{\infty}_0 |v_x| \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\pi kT}}e^{-mv_x^2/2kT}dv##
For context this is a Maxwell Boltzmann distribution in one dimension, and I've actually been asked to calculate ##\langle v_x \rangle## which is given by ##|v_x|f(v)## where ##f(v) = \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\pi kT}}e^{-mv_x^2/2kT}## is the Maxwell Boltzmann distribution in the x-direction. Not sure if the question is best put in physics or maths.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm a little confused because since ##v_x## is always positive between infinity and zero (I think?) the integral is actually just ##\langle v_x \rangle##, since the mod can be ignored if it's always positive. That can't be it though, I've already been asked to calculate ##\langle v_x \rangle## in the first part of the same question. So I suppose my treatment of the mod must be wrong.

Thanks for any help!

What was your result for ##\langle v_x \rangle##?

Do you see why ##\langle v_x \rangle \neq \langle |v_x| \rangle##?

What slight (but important) error have you made in your expression for ## \langle |v_x| \rangle##?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
What was your result for ##\langle v_x \rangle##?

Do you see why ##\langle v_x \rangle \neq \langle |v_x| \rangle##?

What slight (but important) error have you made in your expression for ## \langle |v_x| \rangle##?
Is the error related to the limits, by any chance? Should probably go to ##-\infty## and that would explain a lot.
 
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Kara386 said:
Is the error related to the limits, by any chance? Should probably go to ##-\infty## and that would explain a lot.

Try it, to see what you get.

Anyway, what is your answer to my question about ##\langle v_x \rangle##?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Try it, to see what you get.

Anyway, what is your answer to my question about ##\langle v_x \rangle##?
It is the limits, velocity can be negative, I'd been working with speed in 3D so only needed to integrate ##\infty## to zero. Didn't read the question carefully so missed that we had moved to velocity distribution. As to ##\langle v_x \rangle##, I have that equal to zero.
 
Kara386 said:
It is the limits, velocity can be negative, I'd been working with speed in 3D so only needed to integrate ##\infty## to zero. Didn't read the question carefully so missed that we had moved to velocity distribution. As to ##\langle v_x \rangle##, I have that equal to zero.

Right: ##\langle v_x \rangle = 0##, and this follows immediately (with essentially no work) from the fact that ##f(v_x)## is an even function of ##v_x##, so ##v_x f(v_x)## is an odd function. In contrast, ##|v_x| f(v_x)## is an even function of ##v_x##, so its integral over the whole line can be easily related to its integral over the half-line ##\{ v_x \geq 0 \}##.
 

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