Integration by parts and substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\sqrt{x}e^{\sqrt{x}}\) using techniques such as substitution and integration by parts. Participants explore the implications of their substitutions and the resulting transformations in the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution \(t = \sqrt{x}\) and its implications, questioning how to properly express \(dx\) in terms of \(dt\). There are inquiries about the notation and the appearance of constants in the integral after applying integration by parts. Some express confusion about the rules governing these transformations.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided clarifications regarding the substitution process and the notation involved. There is an acknowledgment of the confusion surrounding the integration by parts method, particularly with constants outside the integral. Some participants express that they are beginning to understand the concepts better, while others continue to seek clarity on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the original problem has led to a reevaluation of their understanding of calculus concepts, indicating a struggle with the foundational rules of integration and substitution.

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Homework Statement


Integrate: \sqrt{x}e^\sqrt{x}

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Well I started off first by taking t=sqrt(x) but that didn't get me very far. So then I decided to make x equal to t^2 which sort of worked. After hours of struggle I decided to have a look at the answers and I was pretty close but I am stumped by some steps in the answers.
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First off I don't quite get how you are allowed to put t^2 in the differential.. no one ever taught me that. Then I don't understand how all of a sudden the first circled thing came about.

Does dt^2 mean that it's the second derivative? Did they take the integral in the second step (the circled part)? What happened there... Suddenly the square gets put on the t in the integrand and a 2 gets put outside of the integral.. whut?!
A friend of mine told me that dt^2 = dt*dt and then he blabbered on and got some weird solution...

Then the second circle. How the heck did they get the 2 there? It looks to me that they used t^2 as u and e^t as dv.

This is really mind blowing... because of this problem, everything I have learned in calculus seams useless because none of the rules make sense now to me... :(

Please help! :)
 
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You have
\int \sqrt{x}e^{\sqrt{x}}dx
and make the substitution t= \sqrt{x} which is the same as x= t^2.
dx= 2t dt so the integral becomes
\int (t) e^{t} (2t dt)= 2\int t e^t dt[/itex].<br /> <br /> &quot;Putting t^2 inside the integral&quot; is the same as making the substitution x= t^2 which I am sure you are familiar with.
 
I always get a bit confused by this notation as well.
I learned it as follows: you are substituting x = t2. Then
\frac{dx}{dt} = 2 t.
Now if you treat the derivative notation as an ordinary fraction (of course, this is technically not allowed, although it turns out that it works, and doing it the rigorous way would distract again from the point), you get
dx = 2 t \, dt.
This means that if you express x in t everywhere in the integrand
\int \sqrt{x} e^{\sqrt{x}} \, dx
you also have to express the dx in dt.
Thus you get
\int t e^{t} \cdot 2 t \, dt.

Some people prefer first replacing x by t2 in "dx", which gives d(t2) or, if you're lazy and/or don't like brackets, just d(t2).

For the second circle, the 2 is just the constant factor in front of the integral.
Obviously, if integration by parts gives
\int t^2 e^t \, dt = t^2 e^t - \int 2 t e^t \, dt
then it also gives
2 \int t^2 e^t \, dt = 2 \left( t^2 e^t - \int 2 t e^t \, dt \right).
 
The notation d(f(t)) means f'(t)*dt. So d(t^2)=2*t*dt. That's where the '2' comes from. It's the rule you use anytime you do something like a u-substitution. Similarly they are also using d(e^t)=e^t*dt. What they are doing at the second red circle is an integration by parts on t^2*d(e^t). And BTW your original substitution sqrt(x)=t is the same substitution they are using. It should give the same answer if you do it right.
 
Thanks so much guys! I actually understand it now! I'm still working on the '2' and the '4' where they are integrating by parts...what's the rule for that when a constant is outside of the integral? Do you just multiply the entire integration by parts step by that constant? MY book doesn't make it any clearer either (caclulus early transcendentals)
 
Ortix said:
Thanks so much guys! I actually understand it now! I'm still working on the '2' and the '4' where they are integrating by parts...what's the rule for that when a constant is outside of the integral? Do you just multiply the entire integration by parts step by that constant? MY book doesn't make it any clearer either (caclulus early transcendentals)

Sure. It doesn't matter if you write a multiplicative constant inside or outside the integral. They are both the same.
 
yeah i actually figured it out by just doing it on paper... This was actually pretty easy once I was done =] Go calculus :D
 

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