Integration by Parts - Substitution

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the indefinite integral ∫(sin(ln16x))/xdx, focusing on the method of integration and the application of substitution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial substitution of u = ln16x and question its effectiveness. There are suggestions to use two variables for substitution and to reconsider the approach. Some participants express confusion about choosing variables for substitution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing varying insights on substitution methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for an arbitrary constant in the integral. There are differing opinions on whether integration by parts is necessary, with some asserting that substitution alone suffices.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of including the constant of integration and question the appropriateness of using integration by parts for this problem. There is also mention of verification with computational tools, indicating a reliance on technology for confirmation.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the following indefinite integral:
∫(sin(ln16x))/xdx


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


let u = ln16x
therefore du=16/16x=1/x

∫sinudu
=-cosu
=-cos(ln16x)

Why is this showing as the wrong answer?
 
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you need to substitute with two variables, u & v.

[itex]ln(16x)[/itex] has a function within itself, therefore substituting that whole part with u won't work.

keep in mind: [tex]\int u\, du = uv - \int v\, du[/tex]
 
Sorry, stupid question - if there's both u and v, how do I choose which one goes with which?
 
sugarxsweet said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the following indefinite integral:
∫(sin(ln16x))/xdx


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


let u = ln16x
therefore du=16/16x=1/x

∫sinudu
=-cosu
=-cos(ln16x)

Why is this showing as the wrong answer?

Didn't you forget the arbitrary constant? The integral is -cos(ln16x))+C.

ehild
 
Yep, I can't see anything wrong except that you forgot the constant.:smile:
 
Substitute for 16x and then further substitute for log(16x). You should end up with Int([e^a][sin(a)])/16

At 1st I did it just like u did, then I saw sikrut's answer... Reworked it & verified with Matlab. Turns out Matlab agrees with Sikrut.
 
encorelui2 said:
Substitute for 16x and then further substitute for log(16x). You should end up with Int([e^a][sin(a)])/16

At 1st I did it just like u did, then I saw sikrut's answer... Reworked it & verified with Matlab. Turns out Matlab agrees with Sikrut.

This problem is adequately handled by substitution, exactly as you did it --- of course, include the constant of integration.

No need for integration by parts. I don't see how that would even be helpful.
 

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