Integration where am I going wrong?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of a function defined as v = 200sin(100pi*t + 0.2) over specific limits. Participants are examining the integration process, particularly focusing on the application of the double compound angle formula and the correct handling of limits in the calculation.

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  • One participant presents their integration of v^2 and the resulting expression, indicating they believe their calculations are correct.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be a missing term in the integration and requests the full calculation to identify potential errors.
  • A participant acknowledges discovering an error in their calculation related to the division by 200pi, clarifying that they misinterpreted how to input the expression into their calculator.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the order of operations in calculator input, emphasizing the importance of parentheses for correct calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial calculations, but one participant identifies their error, suggesting that the discussion has moved towards resolution for that individual. However, the overall discussion remains focused on the integration process and the handling of mathematical expressions without a definitive conclusion on the original question.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of mathematical operations and the implications of calculator input methods on their results. There are unresolved aspects related to the integration process and the specific values derived from the calculations.

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Hi,
I have an example in my studies as follows:
If v = 200sin(100pi*t + 0.2) then evaluate Integral of v^2 dt between limits of 0.005 and 0.

I have integrated it and used the double compound angle formula sin^2 A=1-cos2A and come up with the following as per the solution to the example in the home work studies:
20000 [t - (sin(200pi*t + 0.4)/200pi) ] ... so far so good I think.

However when I put the limits in it I get

20000 [0.005 - (sin(200pi*0.005 + 0.4)/200pi)) - (0 - (sin(200pi*0 + 0.4)/200pi)) ]

This I calculate as 20000 (0.005 + 0.0061) - (0 -0.0061) = 344

According to the solution and online examples the answer should be 124.8

The solution with the limits calculated shows 20000 [ (0.005+0.00062) - (0 - 0.00062)] but I can't get these figures from what I have above. Please can anyone see where I am going wrong? It is driving me mad!
 
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fuofa said:
Hi,
I have an example in my studies as follows:
If v = 200sin(100pi*t + 0.2) then evaluate Integral of v^2 dt between limits of 0.005 and 0.

I have integrated it and used the double compound angle formula sin^2 A=1-cos2A and come up with the following as per the solution to the example in the home work studies:
20000 [t - (sin(200pi*t + 0.4)/200pi) ] ... so far so good I think.

However when I put the limits in it I get

20000 [0.005 - (sin(200pi*0.005 + 0.4)/200pi)) - (0 - (sin(200pi*0 + 0.4)/200pi)) ]

This I calculate as 20000 (0.005 + 0.0061) - (0 -0.0061) = 344

According to the solution and online examples the answer should be 124.8

The solution with the limits calculated shows 20000 [ (0.005+0.00062) - (0 - 0.00062)] but I can't get these figures from what I have above. Please can anyone see where I am going wrong? It is driving me mad!
You miss a term in ##20000 [t - (\sin(200\pi t + 0.4)/200\pi) ]##
Carefully redo the integral.
Post your full calculation, so that we can help finding a possible error.
 
Hi Thank you very much for your reply.

I have just twigged my error in my calculation - I've literally been at it 3 hours!

I don't believe I have missed a term the error was when dividing by 200pi on the calculator. I was dividing [sin(200pi(0.005)+0.4)] by 200pi not by (200pi).

Glad that is sorted now it was giving me a real head ache and I thought dividing the sum by 200 (pi symbol) on the calculator would work fine, but it appears i needed to divide the sum by [200(pi symbol)]

Thanks again.
 
If you enter, on your calculator , "A/B*C" the calculator will interpret that as (A/B)*C. If you want A/(BC) you need to use parentheses.
 
That's indeed how I was going wrong. Thanks for the clarification on how it works. It confirmed my suspicions.
 

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