Integration with k as constant

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression \(\int\frac{dh}{\sqrt{h^{2}-k^{2}}}\), where \(k\) is treated as a constant. Participants are exploring various methods of integration and substitutions related to this integral.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss different approaches to the integral, including trigonometric substitution and algebraic manipulation. Some express confusion over the steps taken and question the validity of certain transformations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants offering suggestions and corrections. There is a recognition of the need for clearer steps and the importance of using trigonometric substitutions, although not all participants agree on the methods being proposed.

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Some participants highlight the need to show initial attempts at solving the integral, while others note potential errors in the transformations and substitutions made during the discussion.

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PLease HELP ME INTEGRATE THIS>
[tex]\int\frac{dh}{\sqrt{h^{2}-k^{2}}}[/tex]
k is constant
 
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You will have to show some attempt first.
 


If I take h^2 common from the integral, it will be:
[tex]\int\frac{dh}{h\sqrt{1-\frac{k^{2}}{h^{2}}}}[/tex]
which finally gives:
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{1-\frac{k^{2}}{h^{2}}}}{k^{2}}[/tex]
 


I don't see how that follows. Your first step is right, next you should use a trigo substitution.
 


I am redefining the question:
[tex]\int\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^{2}-a^{2}}}[/tex]


taking x^2 common

[tex]\int\frac{dx}{x\sqrt{1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}}}[/tex]

let [tex]1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}=t[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{dt}{(1-t)(\sqrt{t})}[/tex]
let[tex]\sqrt{t}=j[/tex]
[tex]\int\frac{dj}{1-j^{2}}[/tex]

how shall i proceed
 


As mentioned before trig substitution is the way to go from the very start.
 


ritwik06 said:
I am redefining the question:
[tex]\int\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^{2}-a^{2}}}[/tex]


taking x^2 common

[tex]\int\frac{dx}{x\sqrt{1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}}}[/tex]

let [tex]1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}=t[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{dt}{(1-t)(\sqrt{t})}[/tex]
let[tex]\sqrt{t}=j[/tex]
[tex]\int\frac{dj}{1-j^{2}}[/tex]

how shall i proceed

I also agree with others, but assuming that you have the last step right:
[tex]\int\frac{dj}{1-j^{2}}[/tex]

You should do decomposition and partial fraction ...
 


You've made it a lot more tedious than it could have been with a simple trigo substitution.
 


please be more explicit. Actually there is no sign of trigo ratio in the answer :S
 
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ritwik06 said:
I am redefining the question:
[tex]\int\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x^{2}-a^{2}}}[/tex]


taking x^2 common

[tex]\int\frac{dx}{x\sqrt{1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}}}[/tex]

let [tex]1-\frac{a^{2}}{x^{2}}=t[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int\frac{dt}{(1-t)(\sqrt{t})}[/tex]
let[tex]\sqrt{t}=j[/tex]
[tex]\int\frac{dj}{1-j^{2}}[/tex]

how shall i proceed
Pretty much every step is wrong. You seem to be consistly forgetting to replace the "dx" or "dt" term.
For example, if you let [tex]1-\frac{a^2}{x^2}=t[/tex] then [tex]\frac{2a^2}{x^3}dx= dt[/tex]. How are you going to substitute for that?

Even if that were correct when you say "let [tex]\sqrt{t}= j[/tex]", you should have [tex]\frac{1}{2\sqrt{t}}dt= dj[/tex].

As everyone has been telling you from the start, use a trig substitution. [tex]sin^2 \theta+ cos^2 \theta= 1[/tex] so [tex]tan^2 \theta+ 1= sec^2 \theta[/tex].
 

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