Interference Problem: Finding Maximum Radiation Intensity

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The problem involves two coherent point sources with dipole moments oriented perpendicularly, separated by a distance d, and emitting radiation with a wavelength of λ. The oscillations of one source lag behind the other by a phase difference φ, and the task is to determine the angles θ at which the radiation intensity is maximized.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the distances from the sources to a point of interference and the phase differences involved. There is an exploration of the conditions for constructive interference and how to express these in terms of the given parameters.

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There are various interpretations of the phase lag, with some participants suggesting it relates to time while others consider it in terms of distance. The discussion includes attempts to derive expressions for the angles θ and clarifications on the implications of phase differences.

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Participants note the potential confusion arising from the wording of the problem regarding the nature of the phase lag, questioning whether it should be interpreted as a time lag or a distance lag. This has led to differing conclusions about how to approach the problem.

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Homework Statement


A system illustrated in the figure consists of two coherent point sources 1 and 2 located in a certain plane so that their dipole moments are oriented at right angles to that plane. The sources are separated by a distance d, the radiation wavelength is equal to ##\lambda##. Taking into account that the oscillations of source 2 lag in phase behind the oscillations of source 1 by ##\phi## (##\phi<\pi##), find the angles ##\theta## at which the radiation intensity is maximum.


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Let the radiations from the sources ##S_1## and ##S_2## interfere at a point P. As the radiation from ##S_1## is already ahead by the given phase, I have
$$S_2P=S_1 P+d\cos\theta-\frac{\phi \lambda}{2\pi}$$
For constructive interference,
$$S_2P-S_1P=n\lambda$$
But solving the above equations doesn't give the right answer. :confused:
 

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Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


A system illustrated in the figure consists of two coherent point sources 1 and 2 located in a certain plane so that their dipole moments are oriented at right angles to that plane. The sources are separated by a distance d, the radiation wavelength is equal to ##\lambda##. Taking into account that the oscillations of source 2 lag in phase behind the oscillations of source 1 by ##\phi## (##\phi<\pi##), find the angles ##\theta## at which the radiation intensity is maximum.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Let the radiations from the sources ##S_1## and ##S_2## interfere at a point P. As the radiation from ##S_1## is already ahead by the given phase, I have
$$S_2P=S_1 P+d\cos\theta-\frac{\phi \lambda}{2\pi}$$

If you mean that S2P and S1P are distances of the point P from the sources, S2P - S1P≈dcosθ (when d<<S1P and d<<S2P). The phase difference between the rays arriving at P is (2π/λS2P-Φ -2π/λS1P), the effective path difference is S2P-S1P-Φλ/(2π) and that must be equal to integer times lambda.

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Hi ehild! :)

ehild said:
If you mean that S2P and S1P are distances of the point P from the sources, S2P - S1P≈dcosθ (when d<<S1P and d<<S2P). The phase difference between the rays arriving at P is (2π/λS2P-Φ -2π/λS1P), the effective path difference is S2P-S1P-Φλ/(2π) and that must be equal to integer times lambda.

ehild

Your method makes sense to me but solving it further doesn't seem to give the correct answer. Since ##S_2P-S_1P=d\cos\theta##, for constructive interference, I get:
$$d\cos\theta-\frac{\phi \lambda}{2\pi}=n\lambda \Rightarrow \cos\theta=\left(n+\frac{\phi}{2\pi}\right)\frac{\lambda}{d}$$
But the given answer is:
$$\cos\theta=\left(n-\frac{\phi}{2\pi}\right)\frac{\lambda}{d}$$
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It appears to me that the problem is worded such that dipole 2 lags dipole 1 in time. So, the phase lag in wave 2 is a phase lag in time, not distance.
 
TSny said:
It appears to me that the problem is worded such that dipole 2 lags dipole 1 in time. So, the phase lag in wave 2 is a phase lag in time, not distance.

You are right, the phase of the light from source 2 is (2pi/λ)s2-(ωt-Φ) which results in a positive phase difference in distance. ehild
 
TSny said:
It appears to me that the problem is worded such that dipole 2 lags dipole 1 in time. So, the phase lag in wave 2 is a phase lag in time, not distance.

Sorry if this is a stupid question but what is the difference between the two? :confused:
 
Read my previous post. -Φ is associated with the time term in the phase of the wave. You get "+Φ" added to the space part.


d\cos\theta+\frac{\phi \lambda}{2\pi}=n\lambda


ehild
 
ehild said:
Read my previous post. -Φ is associated with the time term in the phase of the wave. You get "+Φ" added to the space part. d\cos\theta+\frac{\phi \lambda}{2\pi}=n\lambdaehild

I still don't seem to understand the difference between "phase lag in time" and "phase lag in distance". :(

Working backwards from the answer, the phase difference must be
$$\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}S_2P+\phi-\frac{2\pi}{\lambda}S_1P$$
But I don't get why we add ##\phi##. What is the difference in answer if it is mentioned that "phase lag is in distance"? :confused:
 
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A traveling wave is of the form E=Eosin(ωt-kr). If the oscillation of S2 lags behind S1, the time lag appears in the ωt term : it becomes ω(t-Δt). The phase changes by -ωΔt=-Φ, but you can incorporate that Φ into the -kr term, with positive sign.

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ehild said:
A traveling wave is of the form E=Eosin(ωt-kr). If the oscillation of S2 lags behind S1, the time lag appears in the ωt term : it becomes ω(t-Δt). The phase changes by -ωΔt=-Φ, but you can incorporate that Φ into the -kr term, with positive sign.

ehild

Sorry if this is going to sound stupid but in this case, would it be correct to say that oscillation of S2 lags by ##\phi## in time but is ahead by ##\phi## in distance?

Also, how do you conclude from the problem statement that the phase lag is in time not in distance? :confused:
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Sorry if this is going to sound stupid but in this case, would it be correct to say that oscillation of S2 lags by ##\phi## in time but is ahead by ##\phi## in distance?

No, I do not think so. Lag means something that happens later. There is phase difference because of time lag, and because of longer distance travelled.

Pranav-Arora said:
Also, how do you conclude from the problem statement that the phase lag is in time not in distance? :confused:

That was the problem statement:
Taking into account that the oscillations of source 2 lag in phase behind the oscillations of source 1 by ϕ...

The sources are oscillating dipoles. Their motion is not in phase.
The interference happens between the waves. Their phase difference is due to the time lag and the path difference.
ehild
 

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