Introductory physics textbook for a math student

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The discussion centers around recommendations for introductory physics textbooks suitable for a mathematically inclined student with no prior physics knowledge. Participants explore options that balance mathematical rigor with intuitive understanding, aiming for a progression towards advanced topics like general relativity and quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes the need for a mathematically rigorous book that does not compromise intuition, expressing a desire to start from the basics and progress to advanced topics.
  • Another participant argues that mathematical rigor may not be necessary for beginners and suggests that many physics books are adequate without heavy formalism.
  • Several participants recommend specific textbooks, including those by Shankar, while cautioning that some may not be suitable for absolute beginners.
  • Some participants suggest that practical problem-solving is essential and recommend supplementary problem books alongside theoretical texts.
  • Links to various textbooks are shared, with some participants noting the importance of exercises and problem sets that may not be included in certain recommended texts.
  • Open Education Resources (OER) are mentioned as a potential source for free physics textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of mathematical rigor in introductory physics texts. While some advocate for a rigorous approach, others believe it may hinder understanding for those new to the subject. There is no consensus on a single recommended path or textbook series.

Contextual Notes

Some recommendations depend on the assumption of prior mathematical knowledge, and there are unresolved questions about the appropriateness of certain texts for complete beginners. The discussion also highlights the variability in textbook quality and the availability of problem sets.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students transitioning from mathematics to physics, educators seeking textbook recommendations, and anyone interested in self-studying physics with a focus on mathematical rigor.

JonnyG
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Let's start off by assuming that I know no physics at all.

I am looking for an introductory physics book that is mathematically rigorous, but doesn't let formalism and rigor get in the way of intuition. My goal is to start from the "beginning" of physics and eventually reach general relativity and QFT. I have the mathematical background to handle any introductory physics textbook, so don't hold back.

What options do I have?
 
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Don't let your 'handicap' be a hindrance. Any physics book (well, almost) is good enough: the rigour of math analysis is generally overkill for the functions we encounter in physics, so we skim over the math details. Until they become important, and by then they are at your level anyway.
 
JonnyG said:
Let's start off by assuming that I know no physics at all.

I am looking for an introductory physics book that is mathematically rigorous, but doesn't let formalism and rigor get in the way of intuition. My goal is to start from the "beginning" of physics and eventually reach general relativity and QFT. I have the mathematical background to handle any introductory physics textbook, so don't hold back.

What options do I have?

Drop the mathematical rigour. It's not helpful at all. Sure, once you know the relevant physics, you can think about how to rigorize it. And you can read very rigorous books on the topic that are really fun to read. But if you know NO physics at all, then mathematical rigour will just get in the way. Take it from somebody who loves mathematical rigor and is learning physics on the side.

That said, there are plenty of books that don't "botch" the math and treat it respectfully. Still, they will talk about infinitesimals, and do maybe questionable things. So I recommend such a book. If you want, I can provide many good reference I found very helpful as a mathematician.

Most important is to do as much problems as you can. This is essential. I thought I could get away with a good math knowledge. But I couldn't. You need to spend a lot of time thinking about problems.
 
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robphy said:

Very good books, but if you NEVER saw physics before, I would not do those books just yet. I highly recommend the books from the mechanical universe, supplemented with the problem book from Morin and the Newtonian mechanics book from French. Those are very good starters.

Then I would go to Kleppner, and Gregory to do mechanics from a more advanced point of view.
 
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I will go with the books written by Shankar. Is it suggested that I go through each book in a linear fashion?
 
JonnyG said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I will go with the books written by Shankar. Is it suggested that I go through each book in a linear fashion?
Linear works. Be aware of the fact that these books do not have any problems. For practicing problems, you would need different books (covering much of the same topics as Shankar). The other two of my favorites are:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/8177091875/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/8177092324/?tag=pfamazon01-20


If money is not an issue (the books are not very expensive), see if you can get both Verma and Shankar. Shankar is very well written and explained and Verma covers the topics from problem-solving point of view.
 
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You might also check out Open Education Resources (OER) for free physics textbooks. Openstax is one resource. There are a bunch of others.

http://openstaxcollege.org
 

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