Intuition behind Integration by parts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the intuition behind the integration by parts technique in calculus. Participants explore the reasoning for choosing specific functions to differentiate and integrate, as well as the mathematical significance of differential elements like du in integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the integral ∫u(x)v'(x) is solved for instead of other parts, questioning what makes it easier to work with that particular term.
  • Another participant explains that integration by parts is analogous to the product rule in differentiation, suggesting that the choice of which integral to solve depends on which is simpler to handle.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that choosing u as the function with the simplest derivative can minimize complexity in the integral, emphasizing the importance of this choice in the integration process.
  • Participants discuss the meaning of du, with one asserting that it represents a differential element of u and has mathematical significance, while another reflects on how its meaning may not be clear until after learning calculus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single approach to understanding integration by parts, as participants present varying perspectives on the choice of u and the meaning of differential elements. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints expressed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the subjective nature of choosing functions for integration by parts, indicating that the effectiveness of the choice may depend on the specific problem context.

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I have some problems understanding the intuition behind the integration by parts technique. I don't quite see why you solve for \int u(x)v\prime (x), instead of one of the other parts, what makes it easier to solve for that particular term?

And in general when working with integration techniques, does an expression like du have any mathematical meaning by itself or are those substitutions just used to make integration easier?
 
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Polymath89 said:
I have some problems understanding the intuition behind the integration by parts technique. I don't quite see why you solve for \int u(x)v\prime (x), instead of one of the other parts, what makes it easier to solve for that particular term?
Integration by parts is essentially the integral counterpart of the product rule in differentiation.

If f(x) = u(x) * v(x), then f'(x) = u(x) * v'(x) + u'(x) * v(x)

If we integrate the equation above, we get
∫f'(x)dx = ∫(u(x) * v'(x) + u'(x) * v(x))dx
= ∫u(x) * v'(x) dx + ∫u'(x) * v(x)dx

Simplifying a bit, we get
f(x) = ∫u(x) * v'(x) dx + ∫u'(x) * v(x)dx

or
∫u(x) * v'(x) dx = f(x) - ∫u'(x) * v(x)dx = u(x)*v(x) - ∫u'(x) * v(x)dx

Notice that I solved for ∫u(x) * v'(x) dx. I could just as easily have solved for the other integral. So in answer to your question, it doesn't make any difference. The only criterion is that ∫u'(x) * v(x)dx should be easier to work with than the other integral.


Polymath89 said:
And in general when working with integration techniques, does an expression like du have any mathematical meaning by itself or are those substitutions just used to make integration easier?
Yes, it has meaning. When you use a substitution, say u = 3x2, then du is the differential of u. In this case, du = d/dx(3x2) * dx = 6x*dx.
 
In my experience, choose to be u the function with the simplest derivative. If you can choose a function like "2x" - make it u because when taking the integral of vdu, you want du to contribute little complexity to the integral.

As for your comment about the mathematical meaning of du, its understandable to have the feeling that it has no mathematical meaning because most people don't see the meaning until they are done learning calculus and are instead applying it.

It is a differential element of u. What does that mean? I think of it as "a piece of u so small that it can barely be said to exist at all."

Look at it this way - the derivative notation, dy/dx, is a slope. The reason why we are saying "differential element of y over a differential element of x" is because even though the rate of change of a function may not be constant, the differential elements are so small that we can take the rate of change "over the course of a differential element" as being constant because there is no room for variation. That's why for a function like x^2 it makes sense to say (dy/dx) = 6 at some point even though the rate of change of the function is continuously changing.
 
Thats was pretty helpful, thanks a lot guys.
 

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