Inverse Laplace transform of ex(-s)/(s+3)^3

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The discussion revolves around the inverse Laplace transform of the expression exp(-s)/(s+3)^3, focusing on the implications of time and frequency shifts in the context of Laplace transforms.

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  • Participants explore the application of time and frequency shifts in the inverse Laplace transform, questioning the original poster's reasoning regarding the presence of an additional exp(3) factor. They discuss the correct interpretation of the Heaviside function and the implications of shifting variables in the context of the Laplace transform.

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matlab:
>> ilaplace(exp(-1*s)/(s+3)^3)

ans =

1/2*heaviside(t-1)*(t-1)^2*exp(-3*t+3)

But I think there should be an additional exp(3) multiplied by all.

=exp(-1*s)/(s+3)^3
=exp(-1*(s+3)+3)/(s+3)^3
Taking out exp(-3t). In above step I did (s+3)+3 because exp(-3t) says all variables should be shifted by 3 ..
=[exp(-1*(s)+3)/(s)^3]*exp(-3t)
Now I take care anything but Heaviside
=[exp(-1*(s))]*exp(-3t)*[t^2/2]*exp(3)
now I take care of Heaviside
=exp(-3(t-1))*[(t-1)^2/2]*exp(3)

I might have made some error while explaining what I was doing - just ignore it. But, the thing I am concerned about is the one in red. It gives me exp(3) in the end which MATLAB does not.

Thanks
 
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rootX said:
=exp(-1*s)/(s+3)^3
=exp(-1*(s+3)+3)/(s+3)^3
Taking out exp(-3t). In above step I did (s+3)+3 because exp(-3t) says all variables should be shifted by 3 ..

This makes no sense. Are you trying to apply a frequency-shift or a time-shift? The e^{-s} should correspond to a time shift. The rule for such is:

u(t-a)f(t-a)=\mathcal{L}^{-1}[e^{-as}F(s)]

where f(t)=\mathcal{L}^{-1}[F(s)] and u(t-a) is the Heaviside function.

In this case, you would take a=3 and F(s)=\frac{1}{(s+3)^3}. What does that make f(t)? And so f(t-a) is___?
 


gabbagabbahey said:
This makes no sense. Are you trying to apply a frequency-shift or a time-shift? The e^{-s} should correspond to a time shift. The rule for such is:

u(t-a)f(t-a)=\mathcal{L}^{-1}[e^{-as}F(s)]

where f(t)=\mathcal{L}^{-1}[F(s)] and u(t-a) is the Heaviside function.

In this case, you would take a=3 and F(s)=\frac{1}{(s+3)^3}. What does that make f(t)? And so f(t-a) is___?

I was using the formula:

ILaplace{F(s-3)} = ILaplace{F(s)}e^3t
Yes exp(-as) corresponds to Heaviside but shouldn't it also be exp(-a(s-3)) if I want to take out e^3t (or use the above formula)?

For F(s-3) e^3t makes it F(s) or f(t) .. (?)
 


rootX said:
I was using the formula:

ILaplace{F(s-3)} = ILaplace{F(s)}e^3t
Okay, so you are doing a frequency shift first and then a time-shift.

So for the frequency shift you have:

\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{e^{-s}}{(s+3)^3}]=e^{-3t}\mathcal{L}^{-1}[\frac{e^{-(s-3)}}{s^3}]

But when you apply the time-shift, you seem to be shifting the e^{-3t}. Why would you do that? The e^{-3t} is just a factor multiplying the stuff you are taking the inverse transform of; it shouldn't be affected.
 
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