Iron Oxidation States: Fe+2, Fe+3 & Fe- Explained

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The discussion revolves around the oxidation states of iron (Fe), specifically Fe+2 and Fe+3, and the conditions under which iron can exhibit negative oxidation states. Participants explore the electron configurations associated with these oxidation states and the implications for bonding, particularly in relation to compounds like FeCl3.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Fe can form a +2 oxidation state by giving up two electrons to bond with oxygen, questioning how Fe+3 can exist if it requires giving up three electrons.
  • Another participant corrects the first by stating that Fe3+ has an electron configuration of 3d5, contrasting it with vanadium's configuration.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the electron configurations of Fe ions and questions why Fe3+ can form compounds like FeCl3 despite having five electrons in its outer shell.
  • There is a clarification that Fe3+ does not "donate" electrons but rather gives up three electrons to achieve that state.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the difference between "donate" and "give up," and questions why Fe would prefer a +3 oxidation state over a +2 state.
  • Another participant explains that the octet rule does not apply well to transition metals and discusses the balance of energy in removing electrons versus bonding energy.
  • A participant points out a misunderstanding regarding the notation of Cl3, clarifying that FeCl3 is composed of Fe3+ and Cl- ions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various levels of confusion and differing interpretations regarding the oxidation states of iron and the underlying electron configurations. There is no consensus on the conceptual understanding of these oxidation states, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in applying the octet rule to transition metals and the complexities of electron configurations, indicating that the discussion is nuanced and dependent on deeper understanding of electronic structures.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students studying chemistry, particularly those exploring transition metals and oxidation states, as well as individuals seeking clarification on electron configurations and bonding in complex compounds.

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I saw on Wikipedia that Fe has both positive and negative oxidation states.
I know that Fe will willingly give up its 2 electrons to form an ionic bond with O for example, making it Fe+2.

1. But how can Fe+3 exist? This means it gives up three electrons right? Does this mean the Fe atoms electron configuration would resemble something like vanadiums?

2. And in what situation would Fe gain an electron to form Fe-? This means it has three electrons instead of two correct?
 
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1. No. Vanadium is 4s2 3d3; Fe3+ is 3d5.

2. The Wikipedia article on iron gives some examples of negative oxidation state compounds. Why not look them up?
 
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mjc123 said:
1. No. Vanadium is 4s2 3d3; Fe3+ is 3d5.

2. The Wikipedia article on iron gives some examples of negative oxidation state compounds. Why not look them up?
I guess what was (is) confusing me is the different electron configurations for Fe ions.

I watched a video about it and my confusion is why Fe3+ is able to donate 3 electrons to form a compound like FeCl3 when it has 5 electrons in its outer shell (d)?
 
Fe3+ doesn't donate any electrons. Fe gives up 3 electrons to become Fe3+
 
mjc123 said:
Fe3+ doesn't donate any electrons. Fe gives up 3 electrons to become Fe3+
Sorry for my ignorance. What is the difference between 'donate' and 'give up'?o_O

I still can't understand why Fe would want to give up 3 electrons. So far I have only studied smaller elements (Ca and smaller) and everything made sense because, with the exception of hydrogen, all the elements wanted 8 electrons in their outer shell. So they would give up or gain electrons to reach this state.

But now for some reason (if I'm understanding correctly, which I assume I'm not), Fe would rather have 5 electrons in its outer shell (as Fe3+) rather than 2 electrons (as Fe). Why would Fe do this?

And is Fe becoming Fe3+ as a result of its interaction with Cl3, or is Fe3+ being used as a reactant to create FeCl3? In either situation, I'm still confused because I don't see the 3 electrons needed to bond with Cl3 in the outer shells of either Fe or Fe3+!o_O
 
The octet (or noble-gas-configuration) model works reasonably well for the s and p block elements (though not perfectly, what about e.g. SF6 or ClF3?), but you can't apply it to the transition metals. When you increase the oxidation state, you have to balance the energy input of removing an electron with the energy output in bonding or lattice energy (mutatis mutandis for reducing the oxidation state). For s and p block elements, the noble gas configuration often constitutes a natural stopping point - going beyond this is energetically unfavourable, as the large increase in ionisation energy is not fully compensated by increased bonding energy. For d block elements, which are generally far from a noble gas configuration, the difference between successive oxidation states is not as great, and these elements often have multiple stable oxidation states. As a beginner, you are better off just learning what these are for each element, and rationalising them afterwards as you learn more about the electronic structures.

PS There is no such thing as Cl3. There is a Cl3- ion, but it is not involved here. FeCl3 is Fe3+(Cl-)3 not Fe+Cl3-.
 
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Okay, thanks for your help!:biggrin:
 

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