Iron rod - will flux link with disk above it

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The discussion centers on the interaction between a vertical current-carrying iron rod and an aluminum disk placed above it. It concludes that the type of current (AC or DC) does not affect the magnetic field's ability to link with the disk, as the magnetic field remains circular around the rod. The participants clarify that the aluminum disk will not be repelled by the iron rod due to a lack of magnetic flux linkage, contrasting this with the behavior of a solenoid, which behaves similarly to a bar magnet. The consensus is that the magnetic field from the vertical rod does not induce any significant effect on the disk.

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If an aluminium disk is placed above a COMPLETELY vertical current carrying iron rod will any flux link with the aluminium disk...


Firstly, does it matter if the current is AC or DC. I presumed not as the only difference is that the magnetic field will vary in one case and stay constant in the other. The type of current would only be important if we were considering induced EMF.

Secondly, here is what I thought (but was not sure it was correct):
The rod is completely vertical so, as per the cork-screw rule the magnetic field should be circular around the rod. This would imply NO flux links with the aluminium disk.
However, on watching the following clip (first 40 seconds):

it seems I may have been mistaken. The only way I can see that the metallic disk is repelled is if flux DOES link with it. Perhaps also I am not comparing like with like.
 
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perhaps this image will help
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jsmith613 said:
Perhaps also I am not comparing like with like.
In your example, you have a vertical wire. In the video is a solenoid, made up of horizontal coils of wire. Different situations.
 
Doc Al said:
In your example, you have a vertical wire. In the video is a solenoid, made up of horizontal coils of wire. Different situations.

I realized that after...in my situation, however, would the disk be repelled...I presumed not as the magnetic field does not link with the disk...is this correct?

also would I be correct in thinking that the solenoid behaves like a bar magnet?
 
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jsmith613 said:
I realized that after...in my situation, however, would the disk be repelled...I presumed not as the magnetic field does not link with the disk...is this correct?
That's what I would say.
also would I be correct in thinking that the solenoid behaves like a bar magnet?
Yes, close enough.
 
Doc Al said:
That's what I would say.
.

thanks a lot :)
 
Doc Al said:
That's what I would say.

Yes, close enough.

Is it irrelevant whether it is AC/DC
again I presumed it would be irrelevant?
 
jsmith613 said:
Is it irrelevant whether it is AC/DC
again I presumed it would be irrelevant?
I don't see how that would be relevant.
 
Doc Al said:
I don't see how that would be relevant.

ok thanks a lot :)
 

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