Is all the space there is here now or is space being created

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The discussion revolves around the nature of space and time in the context of the universe's expansion. Participants explore whether space is a static entity that exists in its entirety or if the expansion of the universe involves the creation of new space. The conversation touches on theoretical interpretations of spacetime and the implications of these views.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether all the space that will ever exist is present now, linking this to the concept of time in spacetime.
  • Another participant suggests that the expansion of the universe can be viewed as either the creation of new space or the expansion of existing space, noting that these interpretations stem from the same mathematical model.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the mathematical model is clear, but its interpretation can vary based on personal preference and understanding.
  • Participants discuss a reference to Einstein's belief regarding the nature of time and existence, indicating that it reflects a philosophical stance rather than a scientific conclusion.
  • One participant introduces the expanding balloon analogy as a potential way to visualize the concept of space expansion, although details are not provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether space is created through expansion or if it is merely the expansion of existing space. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion relies on interpretations of mathematical models and philosophical beliefs, which may not align with empirical evidence or universally accepted scientific conclusions. The nuances of these interpretations are not fully explored, leaving some assumptions and definitions open to question.

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Hello all,
Sometime back I read an article on spacetime. It expanded upon the thought that since we live in a universe where all the "space" there will ever be is here now - then all the "time" there will ever be is here now because spacetime is so intimately related. Is this nonsense or not? (I have tried to google this concept recently and can't find anything on this)
While thinking on this topic, I wondered if expansion of the universe was creating new "space" or if the correct way to think of expansion was simply "the expansion of existing space?" (my best guess) The answer to these two questions will tell me if I have another question to ask or not.
 
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CaptDude said:
Sometime back I read an article on spacetime.

What article? Can you give a reference or a link to it? Without the context it's not really possible to tell what the article meant by the statements you quoted.

CaptDude said:
I wondered if expansion of the universe was creating new "space" or if the correct way to think of expansion was simply "the expansion of existing space?"

There isn't really an answer to this because these two things are not describing different ways the universe could be; they're describing different interpretations of the same mathematical model. The mathematical model is unambiguous, but its translation into layperson's language is not. Neither way of thinking about it is "wrong"; it's really a matter of personal preference and what works better in helping you to understand the mathematical model.
 
PETERDONIS ASKED: What article? Can you give a reference or a link to it? Without the context it's not really possible to tell what the article meant by the statements you quoted.This link takes you to an article that is the only thing I can find that touches on what I read several years back. It is not the same, but it DOES reference Einstein's belief that - Quote: "there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence." This plays into what my post asks.

http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm
 
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Quote: "there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence."

This is just saying that spacetime is a 4-dimensional thing that just exists, not something that changes. But that's still a description of the mathematical model, not directly of reality. Einstein believed that the mathematical model directly reflects reality in this respect (at least, he did in his later years, according to the article); but that was his personal belief, not a scientific conclusion.
 
CaptDude said:
... I wondered if expansion of the universe was creating new "space" or if the correct way to think of expansion was simply "the expansion of existing space?" (my best guess) The answer to these two questions will tell me if I have another question to ask or not.

Neither... My understanding is as follows

Expanding balloon analogy?
 

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