Is collsional frequency actually frequency per an electron?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of collisional frequency in the context of particle collisions, particularly focusing on whether the standard formula accounts for the density of incident particles. Participants explore the implications of the formula ν = nt×average of (σv) and its interpretation in relation to electron collisions with target particles.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether collisional frequency should also depend on the density of incident particles, suggesting that it seems counterintuitive that the standard formula does not include this factor.
  • Another participant clarifies that the collisional frequency is defined as the frequency of collisions between incident and target particles, emphasizing that it is based on material properties of the target rather than the incident beam.
  • A third participant notes that the frequency value is an average, as particles do not arrive at regular intervals, proposing that the mean frequency can be derived from the mean interval between collisions.
  • A later reply reinforces the idea that the collisional frequency represents an average value for a particle rather than a total for all incident particles, agreeing with the interpretation that the formula reflects average behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of incident particle density in the collisional frequency formula. While some agree on the average nature of the frequency, the initial question regarding the inclusion of incident particle density remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the standard formula's assumptions, particularly regarding the treatment of incident particle density and the averaging of collision events.

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Hello.

The collisional frequency is generally expressed by ν = nt×average of (σv), where nt, σ and v are density of target (atoms or molecules), collisional cross section of target and kinetic velocity of incident particles. σ depends on kinetic energy of incident particles

I thought collisional frequency must also be replied on density of incident particles but typically expression doesn't have this factor. Let's imagine thermal collision of electrons to other particles. With the same electron temperature and target density, collision frequency should be proportional to the electron density. That is why this is werld for me.

So I guess collision frequency calculated from the formula above is actually collisional frequency per an indicent particle. I'm wondering my interpretation is right.

Please help me to clarify this:)
 
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goodphy said:
Hello.

The collisional frequency is generally expressed by ν = nt×average of (σv), where nt, σ and v are density of target (atoms or molecules), collisional cross section of target and kinetic velocity of incident particles. σ depends on kinetic energy of incident particles

I thought collisional frequency must also be replied on density of incident particles but typically expression doesn't have this factor. Let's imagine thermal collision of electrons to other particles. With the same electron temperature and target density, collision frequency should be proportional to the electron density. That is why this is werld for me.

So I guess collision frequency calculated from the formula above is actually collisional frequency per an indicent particle. I'm wondering my interpretation is right.

Please help me to clarify this:)
It is just the frequency of collisions bbetween incident and target particles. The mean free path can be defined as l = 1/(σ*nt). You can think of this as the average distance traveled between collisions. So your equation can be rewritten as nu = v/l = speed/distance. This is obviously in units of Hz, e.g. it is a frequency. Perhaps easier to understand if you want time between collisions: t = l/v. And of course nu = 1/t.
The collision frequency just depends on the material properties of the target and not the beam (obviously velocity of beamed particles but that's not a material property)

There is something calle dthe luminosity of the beam and that depends on the number of beam particles per unit time.
 
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This value of frequency will be an 'average' value because the particles will not be arriving at regular intervals.
1/(mean interval between collisions) would be a mean frequency.
 
Hello answerers

Thanks to give me very clear point. As Collisional frequency formula is equal to speed of an incident particle/mean free path of that particle, so it is average value of collisional frequency for a particle, not sum of all collisional frequency for all incident particles.

I think this interpretation is correct.
 

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