Is GPE equal to mgh or mgL in a Bungee Jump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the gravitational potential energy (GPE) of a person before jumping from a bungee platform, specifically whether it should be calculated using the formula mgh, where h is the height above the ground, or mgL, where L is the maximum length the bungee rope can stretch. The scope includes theoretical considerations and calculations related to potential energy in the context of bungee jumping.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that GPE should be calculated as mgh, where h is the height above the ground.
  • Others argue that GPE should be mgL, the maximum length of the bungee rope, especially if the rope's length is shorter than the height of the jump.
  • A participant suggests performing calculations using different definitions of h to see if it affects the results.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that GPE is always equal to mgh, but the reference point for h can be defined flexibly as long as consistency is maintained.
  • One participant notes that the difference in potential energy between two locations is what ultimately matters, regardless of where h = 0 is defined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate formula for calculating GPE, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining the reference point for height and the implications this has on the calculations of potential energy, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or dependencies on definitions.

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If the person has not yet jumped, is their GPE equal to mgh, where h is the height above the ground, or mgL, the maximum length the bungee rope can stretch?
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Hi oppyykm
welcome to PF

which do you think is correct and why ?

Dave
 
I thought it would be the maximum length the bungee rope can stretch, but I'm not really sure. Because if its maximum length is shorter than the height, it doesn't have the potential to fall the full height ever, so therefore it can't have potential equal to height.
 
What final result is it that you are trying to calculate? The length to which the bungee ends up stretching?

I would recommend that you perform that calculation three times: Once with the assumption that potential energy is given by mgh where h is measured from the ground under the bridge. Once with the assumption that potential energy is given by mgh where h is measured from the deck of the bridge (and will be negative throughout the drop). Once with the assumption that potential energy is given by mgh where h is measured from the maximum length of the bungee.

Compare to see if the choice makes any difference in the calculated value. Do you think that it will?
 
oppyykm said:
If the person has not yet jumped, is their GPE equal to mgh, where h is the height above the ground, or mgL, the maximum length the bungee rope can stretch?
GPE is always equal to mgh, but you are free to define h=0 wherever you like as long as you stay consistent. I would highly recommend doing the exercise jbriggs444 suggested!
 
All that ever matters in the end is the difference in PE between two locations, which is what I think jbriggs444 was trying to get at. No matter where you define h = 0 (giving PE = 0 at that location), the difference in PE between (for example) the ground and the bridge deck is the same.
 

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