Is i^i equal to e^-(pi/2 + 2npi)?

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The discussion centers around the expression i^i and its equivalence to e^-(pi/2 + 2npi). Participants explore the implications of complex exponentiation, the multivalued nature of logarithms, and the subtleties involved in simplifying expressions involving complex numbers.

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  • One participant presents a logic sequence suggesting that i^i can be expressed as e^-(pi/2 + 2npi), questioning the validity of this reasoning.
  • Another participant challenges the simplification of complex exponentiation, noting that (e^{ix})^i does not equal e^{i^2x}, highlighting the complexities of exponentiation in the complex plane.
  • Some participants acknowledge that i^i has infinitely many values due to the multivalued nature of the complex logarithm.
  • There is a discussion about the representation of e^-(pi/2 + 2npi) and whether it can be considered the same as e^(-pi/2) or if other values like e^-(5pi/2) are equally valid.
  • One participant attempts to clarify that e^(2npi) equals 1 for all integers n, suggesting that multiple representations of the same number do not imply different distinct values.
  • Another participant disputes the claim that e^{2npi} is equal to 1 unless n=0, reinforcing the idea that there are indeed infinitely many values for i^i.

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Participants express differing views on the simplification of complex exponentiation and the implications of the multivalued nature of logarithms. There is no consensus on whether i^i can be definitively equated to a single value or if multiple representations are valid.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding complex exponentiation, particularly regarding the assumptions made about logarithmic identities and the conditions under which they hold. The multivalued nature of complex logarithms remains a key point of contention.

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Can someone explain if this is true or if there's anything wrong with the following logic?

e^ix = cos(x) + isin(x)

Let x = pi/2 + 2npi
Then,
e^ix = i
Take both sides to the exponent i,
e^-x = i^i
e^-(pi/2 + 2npi) = i^i

But, e^(pi/2 + 2npi) has infinite different values.
I've been looking around on the internet and I can only find the typical e^(-pi/2) solution. Is it just that mathematicians have just decided to define it to be that value? Even wolfram alpha spits out only one value. Is it just as correct to say that i^i = e^-(5pi/2) for example?
 
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First of all, it's not true that ##(e^{ix})^i = e^{i^2x}##; exponentiation is more subtle in complex land. I'm sure if you search for "complex exponentiation" you'll find lots of hits (several on this forum alone, probably) that explain the various subtleties. Let me just point out that writing ##z^i## is already 'ambiguous'. This is because the former expression is defined to be $$e^{i \log z}$$ and the complex logarithm is multivalued. Thus the fact that you're getting infinitely many values for "i^i" is simply a manifestation of the fact that there are infinitely many possible values for log(z) at z=i.
 
To be clear, you're saying that you can't just simplify (a^i)^i to a^(i^2), BUT i^i does have infinite different values, correct?

This is starting to boggle my mind a little bit. I can't seem to wrap my head around it.

I'm reading the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Powers_of_complex_numbers

If you ctrl f and type in "Failure of power and logarithm identities" and look just above it, they do just that simplification of (a^i)^i to a^i*i. But then if you keep reading, below that proof they contradict themselves and say exactly what you're saying, which is that you can't simplify complex exponents in that way.

I don't know. Maybe I'll just revisit this when I've taken a course in complex analysis.
 
You only write down one distinct number, just various representations of it. Note e2npi=1 for all integers n
 
Office_Shredder said:
You only write down one distinct number, just various representations of it. Note e2npi=1 for all integers n

This is the key point. Since e^(2*n*pi*i)=1, of course I can write the number this way. It's like saying that there are infinitely many results for 2^2, as follows:
4, 4*1, 4*(1^2), 4*(1^3), ...
 
##e^{2n\pi}## is most definitely not equal to 1 (unless n=0).

There are indeed infinitely many values that one can 'give' to the expression i^i, as mentioned in the OP.
 
morphism said:
##e^{2n\pi}## is most definitely not equal to 1 (unless n=0).

There are indeed infinitely many values that one can 'give' to the expression i^i, as mentioned in the OP.

You're right. I withdraw my comment.
 

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