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Because the Strong Force and gravity are both forces that attract, could they actually be the same thing, manifesting in different ways at different distances?
PeterLouis said:Because the Strong Force and gravity are both forces that attract, could they actually be the same thing, manifesting in different ways at different distances?
PeterLouis said:Because the Strong Force and gravity are both forces that attract, could they actually be the same thing, manifesting in different ways at different distances?
PeterLouis said:I have no source material - actually just thought of this question, which seems to be pretty basic, but can find no discussion of it on the internet.
And, thanks for making me feel welcome!
Agreed that these two forces "have hugely different strengths," etc., but is there any possible way they can be the same thing in different iterations? Whether the answer is "no," "we don't know" or "maybe," I would love an explanation.
PeterLouis said:Kloptok: Thank you - although details are still wanting.
While these two forces have very different evident characteristics, note the way the question asked: "is it possible..." The fact that they ultimately do the same thing, begs the question.
PeterLouis said:ZapperZ: If we lived in the 15th century and I asked, "Could the world be round?" would you tell me that is not how we do science?
There's nothing with asking questions so long as you take on board the answers. To use your own analogy, you are the blind man grabbing an elephant leg in one hand and a pillar in the other and not listening to the people with sight telling you why they are not the same.PeterLouis said:I fear that I am becoming a nuisance. Nevertheless:
Nabeshin:
The one property they have in common - they each attract mass - is the very thing that determines them to be fundamental forces - so whether they are actually different, or somehow just different expressions of the same thing, goes to the heart of the matter. Despite the fact of their obvious differences, obvious similarities are glaring
Regarding "descriptions," I refer you to the parable of the blind men describing an elephant: The blind man who feels a leg says the elephant is like a pillar; the one who feels the tail says the elephant is like a rope, etc.
Differing descriptions does not establish dissimilarity.
PeterLouis said:ZapperZ: If we lived in the 15th century and I asked, "Could the world be round?" would you tell me that is not how we do science?
Dickfore said:This thread deserves to be deleted.
I am not telling you to just believe at all, I am telling you to listen to the answers you are given. Ask specific questions about what you don't understand. Be polite and be prepared to learn. Quoting parables at people and acting in an arrogant manner, insisting that your idea has merit even though you have no reason to think so is not a good attitude to have.PeterLouis said:Ryan M B: you are telling me to "just believe" people who know more then me, without offering details.
When you are confronted by people who know what they are talking about and have become frustrated with you for a reason that eludes you it is rarely good to play the "I'm thinking outside the box, you experts don't have my level of understanding" card. People are here on this sight to answer questions and share knowledge of science, they do it hundreds of times every day. For you to be this insulting and expect people to help you after is baffling.PeterLouis said:When did science become so antagonistic to questions "outside the box"?
If this is such a silly question, where is conclusive answer?
Given that let's start afresh, how about you read over the replies you've been given and respond to the specific points so that people know what questions to address?PeterLouis said:No insult was intended - pardon me if it came off that way. I very much appreciate the time you are taking. I am here to learn and you are volunteering to help me with that.
To the eyes of this "innocent" there seems to be a contradiction - or at least a conclusion, that is not justified by the documentation. I have searched the internet and the links provided, and carefully examined the suggestions provided here, but clear details that address my question are pending.
Dead Boss said:The strong force acts only on quarks and gluons. The gravity acts on everything. There's a huge difference right there.
PeterLouis said:When did science become so antagonistic to questions "outside the box"?
PeterLouis said:Ryan M B: you are telling me to "just believe" people who know more then me, without offering details.
Aside from differences based on distance, in this whole discussion, only two facts have been stated explaining why these two forces couldn't be the same:
1) Gravity and the Strong force have different charges
2) S.F. doesn't follow inverse square law WHILE G. follows it.
This is not enough proof to overcome the presumption of similarity based on observation.
PeterLouis said:Very informative responses.
More observations from my innocent eyes:
One of the more significant things we know about the SF is that it changes character. Within the quark-gluon interaction, it has infinite strength. Between nucleons, it has the considerably smaller "non-infinite" amount of strength (considered to be a "residual" color force). Since we know that SF is capable of radically different manifestations depending on sphere of influence, might it then change character a third time outside the nucleus, to look exactly like gravity (accounting for Dead Boss' point)?
PeterLouis said:Because the Strong Force and gravity are both forces that attract, could they actually be the same thing, manifesting in different ways at different distances?
sankalpmittal said:3. Gravitational forces are always attractive. Not so with strong forces. Example : proton-proton repulsive forces.
While there are some theories that suggest a connection between the two forces, there is currently no concrete evidence to support the idea that the Strong Force and gravity are the same thing. More research and experimentation is needed to fully understand the nature of these forces.
If the Strong Force and gravity were proven to be the same thing, it would greatly impact our understanding of the universe and the fundamental laws of physics. It would provide a more unified and comprehensive explanation for the behavior of matter and energy.
One of the main challenges in unifying the Strong Force and gravity is the stark differences in their behaviors and strengths. The Strong Force is responsible for holding together the nucleus of an atom, while gravity is responsible for the attraction between masses on a much larger scale. Finding a way to reconcile these differences is a major challenge for scientists.
Yes, there are several alternative theories that attempt to explain the relationship between the Strong Force and gravity without unifying them. These include theories such as string theory and loop quantum gravity.
Scientists are continually conducting experiments and research to explore the possibility of a connection between the Strong Force and gravity. This includes studying the behavior of particles at high energies and using advanced mathematical models to try and reconcile the two forces.