Is it possible to convert heat directly into electricity?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of converting heat directly into electricity, exploring concepts such as the thermoelectric effect and the implications of using ambient heat for energy generation. Participants examine theoretical and practical aspects of this conversion, including its feasibility and the underlying physical principles.

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  • Some participants propose that it is possible to convert heat into electric current through the thermoelectric effect.
  • Others argue that this conversion requires a temperature difference, not just ambient heat, and that it aligns with the principles of thermodynamics.
  • A participant mentions the use of thermoelectric generators (RTGs) in satellites as an example of this effect in practice.
  • There is speculation about the potential for an electric current to create a "vacuum" that could draw energy from a hot conductor, although this idea is met with skepticism.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of using ambient heat for electricity generation, suggesting it may violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the thermoelectric effect allows for the conversion of heat to electricity under specific conditions, but there is disagreement regarding the feasibility of using ambient heat for this purpose and the implications of such a process.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the thermodynamic principles involved, particularly regarding temperature differentials and the second law of thermodynamics. Some assumptions about the nature of electric currents and their interaction with heat sources remain unresolved.

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Someone told me that it is possible to directly translate heat into electric current.

This seems like a fantasy to me, especially when I consider the claim that ambient room or outdoor heat could be made into electricity, and as a result the conductor would become cooler.

That would mean that you could cool your house by running other appliances!

Still, because electricity can be generated from light I started wondering if there might be some truth.

The best I could come up with is that some sort of capacitor (or whatever it is that stores charge and then releases it) could be dissipated and would then recharge from a heat-conductor. If this effect could somehow be made regenerative, would the "electricity vacuum" of the capacitor draw charge from the heat conductor, causing it to cool whereby it would draw more heat in from the surrounding air, hot water, etc.?

A bizarre and naive question I'm sure, but maybe someone has some insight. Thanks.
 
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brainstorm said:
Someone told me that it is possible to directly translate heat into electric current.
Yes, you can. It's called the seebeck or thermoelectric effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect
This seems like a fantasy to me, especially when I consider the claim that ambient room or outdoor heat could be made into electricity, and as a result the conductor would become cooler.

That would mean that you could cool your house by running other appliances!
No, that's not what it means. It doesn't take ambient heat and convert it to electricity (a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics), it takes a temperature difference (like any mechanical heat engine) and uses the heat transfer across that temperature difference to generate energy.

One example is the RTG generators that satellites use. They take the heat from a radioactive decay source on one side of the thermoelectric device and radiate that heat into space on the other side, absorbing some of that heat transfer to generate electricity.
 
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple" is a temperature sensor that utilizes the fact that any junction of dissimilar metals will produce an electric potential related to the temperature difference of the metals.
 
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Yes, you can. It's called the seebeck or thermoelectric effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_effect
No, that's not what it means. It doesn't take ambient heat and convert it to electricity (a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics), it takes a temperature difference (like any mechanical heat engine) and uses the heat transfer across that temperature difference to generate energy.

One example is the RTG generators that satellites use. They take the heat from a radioactive decay source on one side of the thermoelectric device and radiate that heat into space on the other side, absorbing some of that heat transfer to generate electricity.

Thanks for the link. As for the temperature-differential/entropy issue, I had thought about that. I didn't know about the satellites.

Still, I'm wondering if an electric current has some sort of momentum where, once moving, it could create some sort of "vacuum" that would draw energy into the current.

If this were the case, couldn't an existing electric current be used to draw more electricity/energy out of something else, such as a hot conductor?

I know this sounds like grasping, but I'm just exploring all the possibilities.
 

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